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Trump Rally Shooting and Hurricane Beryl Prep

In this episode Craig and Kevin discuss some current events surrounding the recent hurricane that hit the gulf coast as well as the assassination attempt on President Trump at the Pennsylvania rally. Regarding Hurricane Beryl, we discuss the aftermath of the storm, and how we each faired and prepped for the storm. Then, we get into the assassination attempt on Trump and give our thoughts surrounding that situation.

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KEVIN

Hello! Well, whether you're DIY or looking to hire, we're here to help you find the best information and options for you and your home. My name is Kevin Hackett, and here with me is Craig Williams.

CRAIG

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to Homeowner's Show. We're so glad that you could join us. Live episode here in the studio. How you doing, Kev?

KEVIN

You know what, I think I'm okay.

CRAIG

Think you're okay?

KEVIN

I think I'm okay. It's been a week. It's been a week, and isn't it Monday?

CRAIG

It is Monday.

KEVIN

Tomorrow is Tuesday, which is the day this episode will come out. But if you're watching live— oh, the bumpity bump. It's been a while since we've had that.

CRAIG

Hello, old friend.

KEVIN

That's right. If you're listening to this live, it's already been a week and it's Monday. Yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

You know. So how are you?

CRAIG

I'm good, man. We got a cool episode for you guys. We're going to be talking some politics with the whole Trump rally assassination attempt, which I think that's like a word that's been banned, but I don't even know.

KEVIN

We'll get into that.

CRAIG

We'll get into that. Yeah.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

So we're going to be talking about that. We're also going to be talking about some hurricane prep that Kev and I did to get ready for Beryl, which apparently there's some confusion over the name.

KEVIN

There was confusion. There is no longer—

CRAIG

No longer any confusion.

KEVIN

It is not Burl, which is what I thought it was. Shocker that I would think something wrong.

CRAIG

We learned a thing or two about naming hurricanes.

KEVIN

Yes, we did. Well, yeah. And let's just put it out there real quick. I mean, if you don't know, it's the first one's male, the second one's female, the next one's male, the next one's female. And so that's the way they do it.

CRAIG

To all of you that hate your daughters, here's a great name for you.

KEVIN

Yes, that's right. And apparently, according to the National Hurricane Center, it is Beryl.

CRAIG

Beryl.

KEVIN

Yeah. Bear like the paint, they said, and with a rill on the end.

CRAIG

And rill.

KEVIN

Dumbest description ever.

CRAIG

Yeah. If, if this is your name out there, please, like, send, send us a note. We'd love to get to meet you. Yeah.

KEVIN

Yes. We'll let you come on the show and defend yourself.

CRAIG

Bless your heart.

KEVIN

Bless your heart.

CRAIG

All right, before we get into it, we want to thank our sponsors. We got Lone Star Appliance Repair. Guys, if you look here, at least here in the Houston area, we just had a lot of appliances take a beating.

KEVIN

Yes, they did.

CRAIG

Either they had, you know, inconsistent power or power surges, or, you know, maybe they got some water damage from the hurricane. Anyway, we got a lot of appliances that are down for the count, but not for long. if you call Lone Star Appliance Repair, they can probably get them back up and running and get your house back to normal. Before you know it, they've got the parts, they've got the staff, they got the techs, they got the office people ready to send out help.

KEVIN

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CRAIG

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KEVIN

It, it'll be cheaper.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

I mean, as long as it's not like a, a massive problem, it'll be cheaper to pay someone to repair it than it will be to buy something new. Right. Yeah.

CRAIG

So give them a call. Kev, you got the number?

KEVIN

It is 936-647-2364. 936-647-2364. And you can also text that number.

CRAIG

Absolutely. They'll get somebody to you.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

This show is also sponsored by True Texas Solar. Let me tell you, these guys' phones have been ringing off the hook.

KEVIN

You think it's time to get solar?

CRAIG

I can't tell you the number of social media posts that I saw. I was like, how are you solar people and out there, and like every single one of them was like, we're doing fine, we're good. Yeah, we got, we got the solar power panels, we got the battery house generator powered up. Not only that, like in the midst of the storm and everything, uh, CEO over there, Josh, went out and bought like a— I don't know, it was like a trailer full of portable generators.

KEVIN

Yep. And he was the one that I use.

CRAIG

Oh, is the one you use?

KEVIN

One I have in my house. Yeah.

CRAIG

And he was, he was selling them, and some people were like, well, you know, how dare you like try and price gouge. He was not price gouging anybody. I know the cost of those things.

KEVIN

They're just They're just actually really good generators. Really good generators.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And they're expensive because they're tri-fuel, which means they're gasoline and propane and natural gas. Which they're fantastic.

CRAIG

They're fantastic. And so he was really just trying to help people get people power because, like, you get a tri-fuel and you, you know, like, especially in a situation like this, because you don't know what people have access to. And let me tell you, getting gasoline during this hurricane was a nightmare.

KEVIN

It's been awful.

CRAIG

If you weren't prepared, it was a nightmare. And so, but maybe you have natural gas, maybe you have some propane tanks. And, you know, you can, you can get that generator up and running. Anyway, they came to the rescue, helped a lot of people out, got people back up on their feet, got power into their houses. Honestly, most people weren't looking for air conditioning. They were just looking to, like, save their food.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

So anyway, these guys are here to help. They're gonna, they're gonna provide you with a well-thought-out plan to get your house off the grid. You can't technically get off the grid, I know. But they want, they want you to be your own power broker.

KEVIN

As close as you can. Yeah.

CRAIG

And, and, and so that way when things like this happen, you have options that other people don't.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

So give them a call. Kev, what, what do we got for them?

KEVIN

936-286-8325. That's 936-286-8325.

CRAIG

Yeah. And call any of our sponsors, let them know you heard about it on The Homeowner Show. Uh, that way they know that we're actually doing our job.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

That's exactly right. Letting people know.

KEVIN

All right, man.

CRAIG

What a crazy couple of weeks.

KEVIN

Yeah. And, and it's, it's one of those things where when, when it comes to hurricanes, people in Houston know that they're coming at some point. But I, I think we forget because, I mean, the last one that we really had to deal with was Harvey.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

That was 2017. So it's been 7 years. And, you know, first of all, there are a lot of people that move into the area since that time. People have been coming from California, like, in droves. And I, I just think that people generally think, oh, it'll be fine. We can ride it out for a little bit. Right. Let me tell you what, Hurricane Harvey was a completely different storm.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Than this, because Hurricane Harvey came in, sat over the, the city of Houston and, and the, you know, this kind of Southeast area for about 4 days.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And it just dumped rain, almost 60 inches of rain.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Over those, that amount of time.

CRAIG

There was a whirlpool at the end of my property.

KEVIN

Yes.

CRAIG

I mean, it was nuts.

KEVIN

Yes. It was crazy. And so this storm is— I've heard a lot of people liken it to Ike.

CRAIG

I think it's a fair comparison.

KEVIN

Yeah. And so basically this thing, pun intended, barreled in here and it just came through and it just kept moving, went all the way through. But you got 80 to 100 mile an hour winds coming through, just ripped trees out of the ground, splintered things like crazy. I mean, whole—

CRAIG

I've never seen so many downed trees.

KEVIN

Yeah. I mean, they're everywhere.

CRAIG

I think, I think this is like a compounded thing that we have. So we had like the winter storm that kind of weakened a lot of trees.

KEVIN

It did.

CRAIG

And they probably recovered, but then we had the massive drought last year.

KEVIN

I was gonna say the drought was what made things really bad.

CRAIG

Really bad. And I think, I think, you know, I think some of those roots kind of, you know, came back up.

KEVIN

They did. And then we had crazy amounts of rain at the beginning of the summer.

CRAIG

Softened all the dirt up.

KEVIN

Softened all of it.

CRAIG

And when the wind came, it just knocked everything over.

KEVIN

Knocked it over.

CRAIG

There was— we had one in our neighborhood. The tree fell on the power line and ripped it out of a house.

KEVIN

Oh my goodness.

CRAIG

And so we had a power line underneath the tree. Yeah. And then there was another one where the tree— and that was on a loop, so it was okay. People could still get to their properties. But there was another one that fell across the road and it landed on top of a gas line.

KEVIN

Oh man.

CRAIG

And so, but like, we, we got out there and got half of it cut off and it was on the side of the road that wasn't the gas line. And as soon as we got that out, I mean, we got out of the way because right about that time the fire department showed up because we called them and said, hey, gas, gas. And we didn't know if it had been punctured or what, but we just knew we, you know, some people were trapped.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

And so we just, we moved quick to try and get the tree out of there.

KEVIN

Yeah, it was just one of those, one of those storms that, you know, the aftermath caused such widespread power outage, right? And a lot of destruction. A lot of people who have trees on their house, they have trees blocking their house, they have trees through a window. Um, lots of those types of things happen. But, you know, again, the, the biggest concern that people have, like you said, was not having power.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And what one of the nice things about the end of a hurricane is the first day-ish afterwards tends to be kind of cool.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

You know, the temperature's mild.

CRAIG

It was like at night, it was like in the mid-60s. It was low 70s the next morning. It felt like a good— but then it heated up.

KEVIN

Of course. And then, and then like 2 days later had like a massive heat wave really with excessive heat warnings all over the place.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

And so, you know, people without power, people without the way to get power, and we still have people today. We're a week to the day away from the storm. Right. People still— many, many millions of people still without power.

CRAIG

I, I think, I think right now we're somewhere between 400,000 and 500,000.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

So that are without right now.

KEVIN

Okay. So I'm a little bit off there.

CRAIG

No. No. I mean, like, like, it's still— a day ago, you were probably not wrong.

KEVIN

And so, you know, you— and, and, you know, people are pointing their, their fingers at one company in, in general. But here, here, here's the thing. And I'm not, I'm not giving a pass to anybody. Mhmm. But what I am gonna say is certain, certain companies service certain areas. And if you're in a certain area where it was worse than another area and you had power stations that were taken out, then you had lines that are not just down, but they're broken.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And now you gotta get new supply in, new materials in, then you gotta get enough people to put it in. And they have to start at the station, then go to the lines, and then go to people's houses. Like, there, there's a There's a process for how that happens. And so I know a lot of people are really upset. They're going, hey, how they— how dare they put us in a situation where we have no power? And, again, I'm not giving anybody a pass. What I am saying is I really don't think these companies are going, well, let's just screw these people. Let's just make sure they don't get power for a little while.

CRAIG

You know what I mean? I, I don't know all the details on, on how that works. I, I mean, like, I know the, the company you're talking about, CenterPoint.

KEVIN

It is.

CRAIG

I mean, people dog on it. I mean, it's like, it's not hard to find. People dog on it all the time. And we, we, I mean, like, we can't really speak to it because you and I aren't Central Point customers.

KEVIN

We don't have it. Never have.

CRAIG

And we're Mid-South people.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

And, you know, like, even, even for us, man, like, we, we've been at this property close to 10 years now. This is the first time we've been without power for multiple, multiple days.

KEVIN

Yeah. Which we didn't have that problem. We were outta power for 18 hours.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

We, we were fortunate as far as that goes. But I, I think that there were a lot of Mid-South customers that had less, you know, I'd say less More time without power. But again, I, I think that there is some somewhere along the line where ERCOT and some of these other, you know, down the line where, where we're going, man, our grid has to get fixed. Something has to get fixed. Now, the downed power lines, I don't know what to do about that. I mean, you know, you got trees falling on the lines, breaking them, you know, busting up power stations, all this kind of stuff. Those are massive problems.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And, and unless you have a scenario where you've got, um, underground electrical lines running, which a lot of The Woodlands actually does have, yes, then you're, you're going to deal with power lines. It just is what it is.

CRAIG

Well, even, even though a lot of The Woodlands is, uh, buried, they still had a lot of people without power for multiple days.

KEVIN

They did.

CRAIG

Um, so it doesn't— it—

KEVIN

you—

CRAIG

I mean, like, you can't put everything completely underground.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

But a lot of people are saying, like, look, if we could put most of it underground, we could have avoided a lot of this.

KEVIN

A lot of it.

CRAIG

And what a lot of people are pointing out is, and rightfully so, is like, look, we are getting no say as to how we spend our tax dollars. And so we're sending gobs of money to support wars and all this kind of stuff. Could we take a portion of that and just fix our grid.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And I don't think that they— I don't think they're being ridiculous.

KEVIN

No, I don't either.

CRAIG

You know, and, and it's, it's not that I— there's not causes that are worthy of supporting and, you know, like, we need to, you know, support our allies and all this kind of stuff. But, you know, at, at some point, we— and here's the thing. At, at, I think both parties need to just, you know, fess up and be like, look, if you're not happy with the way that your tax dollars are being spent, Vote somebody else in.

KEVIN

True.

CRAIG

I mean, true.

KEVIN

It's just— you have— we do have a little power.

CRAIG

We have a— yeah.

KEVIN

We do.

CRAIG

So, I mean, you know, and look at— look at the person who represents you and look at their record as to how they voted to spend your money. That's right. And if you're not happy with that, vote for the other person.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Or—

KEVIN

or vote at all.

CRAIG

Or just— just vote.

KEVIN

I mean, that'd be helpful. There's so many people that just don't vote.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And—

CRAIG

I mean, do—

KEVIN

do you do know that, like, if you work for a business, they have to let you off to go vote. Oh, you do know that, right? Like, if you don't listen to me, they have to let you off to go vote.

CRAIG

I know that, but like, every year it's like, vote— voting should be a national holiday.

KEVIN

And it's like, no, it doesn't need to be. They can't—

CRAIG

they have to let you off.

KEVIN

They have to. Yeah, they have to let you off. And it's going to take you all the, you know, 20 minutes to go do it or whatever.

CRAIG

The polls are typically open after business hours.

KEVIN

Yes, they are.

CRAIG

So—

KEVIN

or before business hours.

CRAIG

Before business hours.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

So anyway, there's a way to remedy this.

KEVIN

There is.

CRAIG

Um, you know, I, I don't know that burying them is like the, you know—

KEVIN

I mean, can you imagine the, the amount of infrastructure problems that would cause to try to bury all of the lines that we have around here?

CRAIG

I don't know that it would. I mean, like, it— because you could probably do it simultaneously.

KEVIN

Maybe.

CRAIG

Keep the lines in the air while you bury the, the new ones.

KEVIN

I'm just thinking like all of the places that you gotta bury, like, just Massive amounts of digging.

CRAIG

Well, I mean, but like, we, we have companies like— we, we interviewed the CEO of Tachus.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Those guys have been burying lines everywhere in Montgomery County.

KEVIN

They're doing it.

CRAIG

And they're the fastest growing internet provider around, and they're killing it.

KEVIN

It's a good point.

CRAIG

So, I mean, like, there, there are people out there that understand how to do this and how to keep people happy in the process. Um, and I'm not saying that data lines are the same as power lines. I know that they're different.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

But I mean, burying something is burying something to a certain degree.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

So like, we, we could figure it out.

KEVIN

Yep. There's a lot of actual tunneling that happens more than burying, if you really wanna look at it that way.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, and, and you know, the infrastructure might already be there.

KEVIN

It might be.

CRAIG

For all we know.

KEVIN

I don't know. Um, well, I, I know this, like, there for— so we have Mid-South. You, you mentioned that earlier. So when we, uh, put my mother-in-law's home in, our, uh, transformer, which is above ground, mm-hmm, would not carry an entire load for her circuit. So they put in a new transformer on our property that would actually be able to hold hers and ours if we really wanted to change, and it was buried. So I, I think if nothing else, like, anytime you got to go in and fix something, just fix it by changing it.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

You know, there, there may be—

CRAIG

And when you do, do it the best way possible.

KEVIN

That's right. There may be an alternative way to do that, but I think we should kind of talk a little bit about, like, did— what did you do? And then how did your family, or how does your— how does your home kind of survive the whole thing? And I'll talk about mine too. Yeah.

CRAIG

I mean, what I definitely wanna talk about in this episode is some of the things that you and I did.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And, like, things that we learned.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

So we, we had generators.

KEVIN

Yep. Multiple?

CRAIG

By the time it was over, yeah.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

So I, I had mine.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, and my father-in-law went and got another one.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, 2 days in.

KEVIN

Where did— okay, first of all, what did you have and where did he find one and what did he get?

CRAIG

Oh, he had a friend that had one. Oh, it was, it was a Ryobi.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

I mean, it was pretty standard.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Just a cool little generator. Sure. Mine is a Briggs Stratton, and I think we figured out the other day it's about 18 years old.

KEVIN

Oh, wow.

CRAIG

It is a beast.

KEVIN

Well, Briggs Stratton is one of the best motors ever, ever built for small engines.

CRAIG

And it's, I think it's like 8,500 watts. Okay. I mean, So we— so back up a little bit. Uh, Friday before the hurricane hit, uh, we had put 300 pounds of beef in the deep freeze from a cow that we had raised and split with my dad.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, and so when I saw that hurricane coming, I was like, I was like, look, I don't care about much, but that's a lot of money sitting in that deep freeze.

KEVIN

Yeah, it is.

CRAIG

That's a lot of money. I was like, I don't care what happens, I'm not losing that. And so I, I was, I was honestly more prepared because of the cow than anything. So we, I mean, we had probably 20, 30 gallons of gasoline.

KEVIN

Okay. Uh, did you have those in like regular— Yeah, just red cans.

CRAIG

Yeah, just regular red cans.

KEVIN

So you had a bunch, you had probably what, 6 of those then?

CRAIG

Uh, yeah.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, and We— but like, I, I'm fortunate. I have a really big shop.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

I can, I can store a lot of stuff.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

A lot of people don't have that.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

That ability.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

Um, so, so we had the ATVs all gassed up. We had the four-wheeler gassed up. I mean, we had everything gassed up before, before anything hit.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

So in that regard, we were, we were plenty prepared.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

We had plenty of food because the deep freeze was full. And plenty of water. We'd stocked up on water. And so like all the normal hurricane things were done.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

We had plenty of extension cords. I mean, we basically ran the generator during the day and turned it off at night.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And just because I didn't want to have to like get up in the middle of the night and pour more gas in. Yeah. Or just mess— I didn't want anything to happen to it while I couldn't be around.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

One of the other things that we did, so our house is, because it's 3 stories, the second and third story got really hot during the day. Oh, I'm sure it did. Not only because like it was just Texas and hot.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But like our kitchen's on the second floor. And so anytime we cooked food, it just heated up.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Everything.

KEVIN

But you have a gas stove, right?

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

So that you can still cook on that. Is your oven gas or is it—

CRAIG

Our oven is gas, but you have to have electricity to run it.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Okay. So, but that's— I don't care.

KEVIN

Yeah, right.

CRAIG

So I mean, we also have like all of our grills and propane cookers. I mean, we could cook food.

KEVIN

Sure, no problem.

CRAIG

Um, and, and our water heater is gas as well.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And that ran the whole time.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

So we were able to take, you know, hot showers if we wanted to.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, but what I was gonna say is to— at night, uh, I brought the swamp cooler.

KEVIN

Oh, nice.

CRAIG

In the house.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And that, that dropped the temp 20, 25 degrees. Oh, I bet. Because one, because we were running the fridges during the day, we could make ice.

KEVIN

Oh yeah.

CRAIG

And so I would empty the ice makers into the swamp cooler.

KEVIN

Nice.

CRAIG

And so it was running ice water through that thing and it cooled off everything. It did. I mean, it wasn't as good as like air conditioning by any stretch, but like it made it comfortable.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

So we were able to sleep and that made things—

KEVIN

Were you running that off the Ryobi generator? Or were you running that off your main generator?

CRAIG

We were running that off the main generator.

KEVIN

Okay, because I was thinking you said you shut that off.

CRAIG

We did.

KEVIN

Oh, okay.

CRAIG

Yeah, so, but like, we would, we would keep it running all day long.

KEVIN

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

CRAIG

And, and so it kept that downstairs nice. So once the sun went down—

KEVIN

And your downstairs tends to stay cool because of there being 2 stories above it.

CRAIG

Yes, yeah, well, and like just tons of tree shade and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, um, the—

KEVIN

and, and you've also got, uh, what, a an 8-foot porch all the way around your house that also keeps the sun from coming in the windows. Yeah.

CRAIG

So we have lots of— yeah, there's many things that help keep it very efficient downstairs.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

So, but there were several things that I was super happy to have access to.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

One is this little beauty right here. It's a Ryobi inverter. And, uh, I think you were telling me before the show you'd never seen—

KEVIN

I'd never seen it.

CRAIG

So we bought these, uh, for our business to go in our guys' trucks because we use Ryobi products out in the field all the time, right? There's guys out there laughing at me. I don't care. Like, it's, it's a good product.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, good warranty.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But it is, it is a 120-volt AC plug when you have a battery in it. Now I will tell you this, it doesn't last for long.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

But like, if you need— like, we used it one night just to run a fan upstairs.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

While we were cooking, because we didn't have electricity up there.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

But it really helped, and it was nice just to have that option.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

You could use it to plug a lamp in. I mean, like, all sorts of things.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

I mean, anything that's 120, you can plug it into here.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Now, it ran that— it ran the battery down pretty quick. Pretty quick. I will say this.

KEVIN

What kind of amp-hour battery did you have on it?

CRAIG

4 amp.

KEVIN

A 4 amp. Okay.

CRAIG

Yeah. Um, and because the smaller ones are 2.

KEVIN

They're 2. Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, I will say this, that was another thing that I did is I, I think I have like 15 Ryobi batteries.

KEVIN

They were all charged. They were all charged. Yeah.

CRAIG

Ready to go.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Because, well, one, like, um, when, uh, the day after the storm we needed to cut limbs.

KEVIN

Oh yeah.

CRAIG

And, and so we've got that reciprocating saw.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And that's great for cutting little limbs and getting stuff out of the way.

KEVIN

It is.

CRAIG

And then I was running the chainsaw, which again, that's another thing.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

I, I think, I think, you know, it, at least for us, I mean, like, people, people that live in neighborhoods that have trees are now realizing like, hey, maybe I should have had a chainsaw.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Because they really needed one when one fell on their house or, you know.

KEVIN

And I will say that's one of the things that, you know, here on this show, we advocate for electric tools.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

And, you know, I've said often, if I, you know, if I get a chainsaw, I'm probably gonna go buy the, the EGO chainsaw. Which, you know, in a situation like this, you go, man, don't know if that's the best choice.

CRAIG

Right. Yeah, I, I was gonna say, I don't know that I would have wanted an electric one in this, in this instance, because like—

KEVIN

I agree.

CRAIG

Once that battery goes down, you're sunk. I mean—

KEVIN

You can't charge it back up.

CRAIG

Well, I mean, you could plug it into your generator.

KEVIN

Oh, you could.

CRAIG

But it's probably going to take like 2 hours to recharge. Right.

KEVIN

Um, unless you have plenty of batteries for that.

CRAIG

Yeah, unless you have plenty. Oh yeah, if you're, you know, you could be prepared that way. Um, but we had plenty of gasoline to run that thing, right? Um, and, uh, I mean, we, we cut up some logs.

KEVIN

I bet.

CRAIG

Real— I mean, because we had, we had 2 or 3 trees.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, one— none fell, but we had like one split like really big.

KEVIN

Oh, really?

CRAIG

Um, that was a big mess.

KEVIN

Oh, I bet.

CRAIG

I'm still cleaning that up in the front pasture.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, one was just a dead tree that like after the storm it hadn't fallen, and I was like, nuts to this, I'm not having this fall on somebody, right? I'm just gonna cut it down. Yeah, so I felled a tree.

KEVIN

Nice.

CRAIG

The other thing I was super happy to have was this bad boy. Oh yeah, which this is to date still our best performing video on YouTube. Awesome. The Nova, by the way. Thank you guys. Um, dude, this is still my favorite flashlight.

KEVIN

That's awesome.

CRAIG

Um, for those of you that don't know, it's solar rechargeable. This thing can recharge. It's got a USB port right there. It's USB, um, it's not C, mini. Yeah, no, it's like the one with like the curve.

KEVIN

Yeah, it's a mini USB. Is that mini?

CRAIG

And then regular USB. Or micro, sorry. Micro USB.

KEVIN

That's what I meant.

CRAIG

And then regular USB like 3.0 or whatever that is. It'll recharge my iPad like 3 times.

KEVIN

Really?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Dang.

CRAIG

The battery in this thing is awesome.

KEVIN

'Cause yeah, that's pretty impressive.

CRAIG

Yeah, so I mean, so it's got that and then obviously it's got the light.

KEVIN

And the lighter.

CRAIG

And the plasma lighter. And then also tungsten break glass. And then like, I didn't realize this, but like the lens, if in a pinch you can take that bad boy off and you can start a fire. Oh, with that? Sure.

KEVIN

Yeah, I've burned lots of ants that way. Yeah.

CRAIG

So super cool. And I typically carry this thing with me everywhere I go.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

You never know. Yeah. So, but I actually had a, I had a buddy, his name's Dave Shannon. He runs the men's ministry at our church. I'm actually wearing his shirt tonight.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And stuff. So he puts together hunts and all kinds of stuff, but I'm in a Bible study with him and all the guys in that group. He put together a survival canister and it's got all kinds of stuff. I can't even list all the stuff in it, but it's like a little can like this big.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

It's got like water purification, fishing supplies. I mean, just medical supplies, like everything that you would want in an emergency to put in your backpack. And if you got to head out the door, it would be like a part of your bug-out kit.

KEVIN

Wow.

CRAIG

Nice. But like, and I was going through it and I was like, so many people need to— that's the thing is when we start talking about like hurricane prep is people go to, what do I need To thrive, right? You know, and so like that typically goes to well, I need the whole home generator so to have my air conditioning, so I can have my television, so I can have my internet, so I can ba ba ba ba ba ba ba.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And where my brain goes, and you and I were talking a little bit about a little bit about this before the show. My my brain's kind of weird, like because I go to the worst case scenario.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

I'm like, what do I need to literally survive?

KEVIN

It's a good question.

CRAIG

Like what would I have to have on my person? Like I lose everything, what would I have to have on my person to survive?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And that's a much different question.

KEVIN

It is.

CRAIG

Than, like, how do I, like, maintain the property so that I don't get uncomfortable? No.

KEVIN

Absolutely.

CRAIG

And I think there's a lot of people— I was talking to a guy this morning. Like, he— his power just, just came on this morning.

KEVIN

You know?

CRAIG

And when you get into, like, day 3, day 4 of no power, no internet, no All that kind of stuff?

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

Like, those are the questions you begin to ask yourself. Like, should I have thought about this? Should I have considered that?

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Why didn't I prepare and have something in place so that my family is without— not without water, right? So that my family isn't without food, so that my family, you know, you know, isn't cooking themselves alive in our home, right? Thankfully, the roads weren't shut down. People could get— we had people come stay with us that had been without power for several days.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Thankfully, theirs came back on.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But these are actual questions that people need to ask, and it's not expensive to do a little bit of prep.

KEVIN

No, it's really not.

CRAIG

At some point, I'll have to bring the canister in here and just kind of go through it with everybody. But I bet you you know, he spent less than $20 on each of us putting that thing together. But like, it's stuff that could actually be beneficial. Really, really helpful.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

You know, and like, there's, there's also like fun things. Like we bought my son—

KEVIN

you heard of LifeStraw? Oh yeah.

CRAIG

Super cool.

KEVIN

Yeah, that's super cool.

CRAIG

And like, he loves taking it out in the woods.

KEVIN

Some random places.

CRAIG

Yes. He's like, what can I drink out of? Yeah.

KEVIN

Anything pretty much.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Like puddle of standing water, go for it, buddy.

CRAIG

Get you some, Bubba.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And, and it works.

KEVIN

It does work.

CRAIG

So it does work. Yeah, like it's— and like he's, he started to put together like a backpack of like stuff that he wants, you know, when we go out in the woods.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Stuff that he's gonna need, that he's always got the LifeStraw.

KEVIN

That's awesome. So gotta love that.

CRAIG

Oh yeah.

KEVIN

Well, our, our situation was a little bit different. Um, first of all, I, I left.

CRAIG

Yeah, you, uh, kind of a draft dodger.

KEVIN

Yeah, I, uh, well, I had a business trip, and so, so I, I left, um, and took my kids with me where I was going. Uh, my, my parents lived not too far from that, so they came and picked them up, and they stayed with them for the week. Um, we, we knew the hurricane was coming, but not, you know, that we had planned that trip for my kids months and months in advance, right? You know, same thing with my trip. It was planned months and months in advance.

CRAIG

So, right. You're not a soothsayer.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Lucky.

KEVIN

Lucky. But my wife was here and my mother-in-law. Now, my mother-in-law's house is all electric. And so, you know, if she— if we lose power, she's, she's pretty much resigned to— if she, you know, she would have to have a generator to run things off electricity. We've also looked at it and gone, okay, we've got it. So we do have a portable generator.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

But it is a big generator. It's a 13,000-watt generator, and it runs on 3 different fuel types. One of the reasons we got the portable one instead of go with a whole home, like, standalone generator is because I wanted to be able to run my camper off of it too. If I ever wanted to take my camper boondocking somewhere, I wanted to be able to do that with a generator. Um, it's a really big, really heavy generator.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Um, the thing I was a little— at the time I bought the largest tri-fuel that was on the market. Um, now that same company, it's Duramax, that same company has come out with a 15,000-watt generator, and I'm like, oh, that sounds awesome. But nevertheless, here, here's the problem with our house. If we don't have power, we don't have water.

CRAIG

Right, because you have a well.

KEVIN

Because we have a well. So we have to have power in order to generate water. Um, and so, you know, I— but before the storm came, uh, I went ahead and got the generator out, got it hooked up before. One of the things that we did as soon as we moved in because of that problem is we got the generator and we also put in— we already had natural gas at the house, but we put in a line, a 1-inch line Uh, it was pretty, pretty long run, cost quite a bit. Uh, shout out to Burke Electric for, um, uh, plumbing, plumbing, sorry, for getting our gas going. And, um, they, they came out, ran a great, great system for us. And so I got it all

KEVIN

hooked up, ready to go, even turned on the generator, you know, made sure that everything was running, that it was easy, you know, easy startup for them and everything. Dude, that generator is so nice. It's got like a remote start on it.

CRAIG

Nice.

KEVIN

Like It's, it's pretty, pretty sweet. But so, well, so the hurricane came and sure enough, uh, lost power about 8 o'clock on Monday morning. And, uh, so my wife was like, I'm gonna let the rain quit. So sometime around noon, 1 o'clock, uh, she went out and got the generator started. And we've got an interlock system, uh, manual interlock, which means Uh, on our main circuit breaker, you turn the main panel, the main breaker off, slide up this little plate, and then turn on a 50-amp breaker.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

That 50-amp breaker will run anything else in that entire panel because it's hooked up to the main nodes. So she did all of that and, um, you know, got, got everything turned back on, but we couldn't get any of our large— she couldn't get any of our large circuits on. So anything over a 30 amp, she couldn't get to come on. So our water wouldn't come on. The, yeah, I, the, like the oven or the, or the dryer, which we're not gonna probably use those anyway. We do have a gas stove. We've also got a gas water heater. But like our air conditioner wouldn't come on either, which all our, our generator will power all of that.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

We're not gonna try to run the AC and the dryer at the same time.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

But we can run the AC and the well at the same time, uh, because the well's gonna turn on, do its thing, and turn off. It's not gonna, you know—

CRAIG

Figure out why she couldn't do it?

KEVIN

Uh, well, no, not at the time. I mean, we, we— what, what was crazy is everything else in the house was working. So all the fans, all the lights, all the outlets, all that kind of stuff. But one of the things we, we knew going in was that our circuit panel labels were mostly right, but not all right.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

So her and her mom went through and like tested every circuit. So now we know what everything is, which is really, really great.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

What better time to do that?

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

Um, but never, never could get the bigger circuits to come on. I was like, look, turn everything off, turn the generator off, turn it back on, like just kind of go through the whole sequence again. Um, never could really get it to work. Um, there was one fail point that I'll, I'll come back to. So then power came back on only about 18 hours later, which is great. Like 1 o'clock in the morning the next morning, it came back on. And, but the next morning, every— so everything was on except our water. We, we didn't have any water. And so, they're like, look, we, we checked the breaker. We did this, we did that. And I was like, well, there's nothing that, that was never on.

KEVIN

So there's nothing that could have happened. Something's just not working right. I said, just call the well company and, and just see what they can do. They're probably slammed. So she called and sure enough, they're slammed. Um, but they just happened to be in our neighborhood. So they got there at like 11 o'clock that morning.

CRAIG

Oh, wow.

KEVIN

And just found out that the 30-amp breaker that powers our, our shop and our well and all that kind of stuff, um, we, we had power to the, to the shop. The well just wouldn't come on. Well, the, you know, those, those 30-amp breakers, they've got 2 poles on them, right?

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Both of them had not engaged. So the breaker just needs replaced.

CRAIG

Oh.

KEVIN

It's, it's not— here's one thing to know. Breakers don't get weak.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

That, that's not a thing. So, so if you think, oh, I've just got a weak breaker, that's not a thing. It may be broken, but it's not weak. So it either works or it doesn't. That's why it's called a breaker.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

So, but the guy came over and he goes, look, for some reason, only one side of the, the pole was closing whenever you flip it.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And, and so he flipped it off, flipped it back on. Every— it came back on. And he was like, if I were you, I would just replace the breaker. It's probably just a, you know, the breaker is not engaging the way it needs to every time. So, um, so anyway, I get home on Saturday from my trip and I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna test the generator because something's weird. It showed that it's got a digital readout on it. Something's, something's weird because it's showing it'll produce 240, but it's not sending 240. I guess something's weird because I couldn't get those circuits to come on. So I called my brother-in-law because I had an electrical question.

KEVIN

He's the electrician. And he's like, he's like, are you about to work on it right now? And I go, yeah. And he goes, I'll be there in 20 minutes. And I'm like, you live 7 hours away. What are you doing? He was like, oh, I'm, we're headed to Galveston. We're going on a cruise. I was like, I didn't even, I didn't even know. So, so 20 minutes later, he shows at my house and he's way smarter than I am with electrical stuff. So he gets my multimeter and starts checking everything. Everything checks out.

CRAIG

Uh-huh.

KEVIN

Everything's working. The, the generator's, uh, producing what it should. The cord is fine. Um, everything on the breaker panel is fine. And he said most likely whenever she flipped that 50-amp breaker, it didn't close. That, that something for some reason didn't close. That's the one thing that she didn't turn back off and turn back on was that 50-amp breaker. And here's something just to know. The little— so, so when you see those big breakers, there's a little bar in between the 2, um, switches. That doesn't do anything. It's still 2 switches that have to engage.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Right? That little bar just kind of visually shows they're both on.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

So I think that's what happened whenever she, she used that bar. She probably got the bottom of it as she— her thumb is, you know, flipping it, and the top one didn't— just didn't engage all the way. So we were getting 120, but we weren't getting 240.

CRAIG

Which is why everything else—

KEVIN

Which is why everything else wasn't working as soon as—

CRAIG

Makes sense.

KEVIN

Yeah. So we turned it, we turned everything back on and, you know, turned the generator on and then put that 50 amp on. And when we tested it, the air conditioner popped on. So it worked. So all that to say, we, we were actually fine. We didn't have water through that time. But we had pool water. So we were— she was flushing the toilet with pool water. But I think, I think all that to say, uh, you know, natural gas is nice because it can run indefinitely as long as there's not a gas issue.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

If there is, you should probably have some gasoline for backup just in case. Uh, we, we had all our cars gassed up. Um, we were, we were prepared if we needed to, we could go stay in the camper. You know, we could turn the air conditioner on that and we had the generator. We didn't put gasoline in it. We were prepared as far as that goes. But, um, you know, we were very fortunate. We didn't have any trees down. Um, we had some limbs down, but, you know, one of the things that we've done is we've done— we've spent some money and trimmed our trees up really, really well. We've taken out dead trees or almost dead trees, and we've done a lot of tree work in our, in our

KEVIN

yard. That doesn't mean everything, but we were, we were good.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And then, you know, we had a lot of limbs down, but by the time I got home, they had cleaned up all the limbs. They had mowed. The only thing left for me to do when I got home was test the weird circuits and blow off the driveway. Beyond that, everything was already done. They were rock stars.

CRAIG

Nice.

KEVIN

So yeah. Um, but you know, they were kidless. They were.

CRAIG

Amazing what you can get done. That's exactly right.

KEVIN

But here's the deal. Let's just mention this for a minute. An interlock system, you can do for less than $500.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And a generator, depending on what you get, um, I mean, even if you go with, with something the size that you have, you may not be able to run your AC on with that, but you can—

CRAIG

You turn everything else on.

KEVIN

Turn everything else, literally everything else other than your AC, right? And, and maybe like if you've got an electric dryer or an oven that runs off 30 amp, you probably don't want to run those.

CRAIG

We have a gas dryer.

KEVIN

Yeah, so, so that doesn't matter as far as that goes. But like, you can run everything else and you're probably gonna set yourself back somewhere around $1,500.

CRAIG

For the generator?

KEVIN

Yeah, maybe less.

CRAIG

Yeah, probably the most of them are going for about $1,000 right now.

KEVIN

So, so you can go get one that'll do pretty much everything in your house plus an interlock system, maybe for $1,500 to get it installed.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And that's running on gas, it's not running on natural gas. I mean, you've got a whole different scenario if you're trying to run on natural gas. I'll just tell you the numbers. I mean, that when we bought our generator, it was $2,500. That very same generator selling current, it just was on sale for $2,000. So you might be able to find it on sale. And then the gas line was about $1,000 and the interlock system was about $500.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

So if you, you know, $3,000—

CRAIG

Is that the plug and everything?

KEVIN

The plug and the interlock system, the cord. I mean, that's really everything you need. You can get done for $2,500 to $3,000, right? If you're doing natural gas. If you're just doing regular gasoline, $1,500.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Now, now I know that's a lot of money, but when the alternative is being without power for a week, maybe 2, you kind of got to start doing math and going, what, where, where am I willing to spend my money and where, how am I going to prep this out? So anyway, uh, you know, that being said, uh, our, our hearts truly go out to a lot of people that are still without power and trying to, trying to deal with trees that are down and insurance issues, all those sorts of things.

CRAIG

Real quick, because I saw one of these online, because I know the Duramax is a good one. Westinghouse has a tri-fuel 1250 or 12,500, and it's basically $1,200.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

It's $1,199.

KEVIN

I'll tell you, mine has a lot of bells and whistles on it.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

A lot of bells and whistles, like the remote start. It's got—

CRAIG

This one, that one.

KEVIN

has it as well. Got all kinds of craziness on it.

CRAIG

But I mean, you bought yours a year ago?

KEVIN

Uh, no, 2 years ago.

CRAIG

2 years ago?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

So I mean, I would imagine prices on these have probably come down a little bit.

KEVIN

Well, because—

CRAIG

But I don't know that— I don't know that Westinghouse is a better brand than Duramax.

KEVIN

I don't— it's not a— it's not a better brand. The Duramax has performed really, really well through this storm. A lot of people I've seen performed really, really well. The 15,000— what?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Is a hefty beast.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

So, um, they've even got a 17,000-watt, uh, generator, Duramax does, but it's a dual fuel.

CRAIG

Not just propane and gas.

KEVIN

Not just propane, it'll do propane and gas. I mean, so yeah, you know, kind of pick, pick your fuel as far as that goes. Yeah, and some people don't have natural gas, so it may not even be an option.

CRAIG

I'm surprised at how many neighborhoods don't.

KEVIN

Oh, I know. Well, I know we, we thought that we wouldn't whenever we started looking for land. We got We kind of got lucky. Yeah, we got lucky.

CRAIG

Yeah, yeah.

KEVIN

I'm—

CRAIG

I always look because sometimes you have these brands, and I don't know, I don't know much about Westinghouse. I just remember seeing this one as a tri-fuel. Um, yeah, I'm always curious as to what— who makes the motor.

KEVIN

Yeah, this one I can't see. This one I think is specifically made by Duramax. It's their own proprietary motor.

CRAIG

Um, but it looks like this one is too.

KEVIN

I'm telling you, dude, it It has been, it has been a beast.

CRAIG

If I could find a tri-fuel with a, with a Honda motor—

KEVIN

Oh well, yeah.

CRAIG

Take my money.

KEVIN

Yeah, I will tell you, um, a lot of people had trouble with Generacs that I saw. Um, people that had Kohlers had zero issues. And then obviously people with, um, with, uh, there were people out there that had Cummins engines going. Was like, okay, well, if you're starting to get into the diesel Oh, that's the diesel.

CRAIG

That's crazy. Those are stuff—

KEVIN

those are incredibly impressive.

CRAIG

You start talking about like 6 digits to get one of those installed.

KEVIN

Very, very pricey.

CRAIG

But I mean, like, reliable.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Power everything.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

Um, yeah, my parents have a Generac. They've had some issues with it. Yeah. Um, but most— here's, here's the big argument for the Generac, and I'll— dirty little secret— some Generacs have Kohler motors in them. They do. Uh, but anyway, they— so like the argument for the, the Generac systems is like it'll come on when you're not there, right? So the problem is when it doesn't.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

So like during the winter storm, my, my parents, it didn't come on.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

They had to go out and manually start it.

KEVIN

Yeah, that actually happened with, with someone at my church. Theirs didn't— theirs came on for about 20 minutes and went off and still not working. And, and, and again, the, the one of the things that's really nice about mine, I can go out there and start it up just a couple times a year. I'm good to go.

CRAIG

Well, I, I mean, I, I tell, because I think my wife's gonna let me put in, I don't know if it'll be an interlock system or a, what's the other one?

KEVIN

Well, there's the inter— there's an interlock system that's, that had, like, that is like mine that goes in the entire box. Or there's a separate box that you can put in.

CRAIG

That's the one I'm talking about.

KEVIN

That just runs like maybe 10 circuits in between. you choose the 10 and those are the only ones that can work, right? And, and there's pros and cons to both. I personally, I didn't want to limit myself, right? So I put it the one that will do the entire thing, right?

CRAIG

And I'm trying to— I just can't remember the name of the other one.

KEVIN

I can't either, man. I, I don't either.

CRAIG

Anyway, um, oh, transfer switch.

KEVIN

A transfer switch, that's it.

CRAIG

Uh, yeah, what were we talking about?

KEVIN

Well, the, the, the fact that, you know, there's, there's 2 different options and You're talking about your wife maybe letting you put one in?

CRAIG

Yeah, no, I'm, I'm always going to be in the, uh, portable generator camp, mostly because, like, it's— because it's not just for my house.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

I can take it anywhere.

KEVIN

That's exactly right.

CRAIG

Um, and it has multiple uses.

KEVIN

Yes, it does.

CRAIG

Um, and like, when you, when you put one of those Generacs, I mean, like, it's, it's—

KEVIN

that's where it is. Yeah. And, and you're spending, you know, you know, upwards of $13,000 to $15,000 potentially on some of those and can't do anything other than—

CRAIG

Closer to $20,000 on some of them.

KEVIN

Yeah, and it depends on the size of your house and depends on what all you're running, but at the end of the day, it, it can only do that.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

And that's why I went with the portable.

CRAIG

There's no utility other than that.

KEVIN

That's exactly right. And I, and I just— anytime I can have multi-use, uh, that's what I want.

CRAIG

Oh yeah, you know, you can take it to the deer camp, you can, you know, plug it into your, you know, RV if you got one, right? I mean, lend it out to someone that doesn't have power.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

So, which is what we ended up doing with ours.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

So, you know.

KEVIN

There you go.

CRAIG

Yeah. Anyway, what about all this other hooey, man?

KEVIN

Oh my goodness.

CRAIG

That's why I wore my hat.

KEVIN

It's a good hat, man. It's a good hat.

CRAIG

It's 2 weeks of nothing but hooey, man.

KEVIN

I'll tell you what, like, first of all, we live in a crazy world.

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

I mean, I don't remember in my lifetime And, and I know that this happened at a rally during Reagan's time.

CRAIG

It wasn't a rally.

KEVIN

It was— that wasn't a rally?

CRAIG

No. It was just him walking to the— to his car. Yeah.

KEVIN

That's what it was. So, but so it was different.

CRAIG

It was a little different.

KEVIN

A little different. But it did happen. It did happen. But, again, that was in my lifetime, but, like, barely. I didn't— I mean, I was young.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Super young. I was, you know, maybe 5 when that happened. But, but, you know, we have a situation where a, a man, and I don't care how you feel about him.

CRAIG

Mhmm.

KEVIN

A man's out there, you know, advocating for his presidency again. And we've got issues.

CRAIG

People took— somebody took a shot at him.

KEVIN

So, yeah.

CRAIG

Hit him.

KEVIN

And, and hit him. And had he been turning his head in another direction, he'd be dead. He'd be completely dead.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

So I actually saw an interview with a, with a doctor who was on the scene. He's an OB-GYN, but he's a doctor who was on the scene and right next to the guy that actually got shot by that— the guy that was killed.

CRAIG

And he got shot in the head.

KEVIN

He got shot in the head. And he— the, the person interviewing was like, you know, what kind of assistance were you able to render? And he was like, there was no assistance. Like, he was dead. Yeah, he was completely dead.

CRAIG

I think I saw that one where he was talking about there was, there was brain matter.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Like splattered.

KEVIN

Right. And, and so, like, you know, and his family was there and, you know, just talking about the fact that they She said, have you been to one of these before? And he's like, no, I've never been able to go. I've always kind of wanted to go, and this one I was able to get off for and decide to go. And, you know, I, I was actually sitting there thinking, man, if something bad were to happen, this seems awfully open.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Like, this, this area seems awfully open, and if something bad were to happen, like, what would they do about it? And he said something bad did happen.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And, um, you know, just, just kind of talking through that whole, that whole scenario, it's like I don't know, man. We're, we're, we're in a place— there's all kinds of rumors out there about even the Secret Service and, and, you know, the guy that actually took the shot. And there's rumors out there about them that haven't been substantiated yet, but some crazy stuff.

CRAIG

Well, I mean, the things that have been substantiated is that there's a, there's a, there's somebody out there that did a, uh, that synced up a bunch of videos that people took while at the rally.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And you can— and they, they were able to sync it up because they could sync it up with the audio from the speech that he was giving. And from the moment— because people in the audience saw the shooter, right? And like, here's the thing, man, is like, if, if just normal civilians on the ground were aware, like, their attention should have been to the guy speaking and giving the speech because that's what they're there to hear, right? But like, it's so obvious that they see the shooter up on the roof and now they're yelling out. You can hear them in the video like, hey, there's a guy up there. Hey, he has a gun.

KEVIN

gun. Right.

CRAIG

And they're, they're like announcing this, they're telling this, they're telling it to authorities. And then you're hearing reports afterwards that guys were saying like, yeah, we saw that guy.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And he looked really suspicious.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And, and all these, all these things. So they, they lined up those videos and it, from the moment that people started announcing, hey, at least yelling out that we know of, hey, there's a guy up on that roof with a gun, that they're, they're shouting this out and telling it. from that moment to when he gets shot is just over 2 minutes. It's like 2 minutes and 1 second.

KEVIN

That is a long time.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

2 minutes? And you're telling me that they didn't have the ability to take care of something within 2 minutes?

CRAIG

Well, and you can also kind of see that like they knew where he was because how quickly they shot him.

KEVIN

Right. Oh.

CRAIG

Once he opened fire.

KEVIN

It was immediate almost.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And so like, there's a, there's just a lot of people going like, why, why was this not stopped before he was able to take a shot?

KEVIN

Yep. Well, and, and, and also asking the question of like, what— I mean, of all the places that were on the perimeter of things that they were checking, I mean, that thing was what, 500 or 600 yards away?

CRAIG

No, it was only 120. Okay, that's even It's even worse, right?

KEVIN

I was— oh, maybe I'm thinking feet. I was thinking it was— maybe I heard feet, 500 to 600 feet. Yeah. How is that not something within the perimeter that you have checked, double-checked, and quarantined, you know, to make sure that it's completely safe at that point? It makes no sense. There's so many things that you look at and go, we should have done better. And, and I don't care. Again, I don't care if it, if it was Trump or if it was Biden or if it's somebody else who's rallying. This should never have happened.

CRAIG

No.

KEVIN

We should have been able to avoid this. And, and I'll tell you, one of the things that really bothers me is afterwards. Did you read some of the headlines?

CRAIG

Oh, yeah.

KEVIN

So, okay. So—

CRAIG

Secret Service escorts Trump after falling.

KEVIN

Yeah. After falling. He falls at a rally. Here, here's another one that says Trump, Trump escorted away after loud noises.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

At the rally.

CRAIG

Is that the CNN one?

KEVIN

Yeah. Both of those. Well, that one was actually the Washington Post. The first one was CNN. The USA Today said Trump removed from stage by Secret Service after loud noises startles the former president.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

And, and, you know, here's another one. NBC News, Secret Service rushes Trump off stage after popping noises were heard. popping. Okay. Probably the one that, that bothered me the most. The one that bothered me the most was the Sunday Denver Post. Did you see this one? Gunman dies in attack.

CRAIG

What?

KEVIN

That is, that is the title of their front page article of Trump. He's got his hand up in the air, right?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

The title is Gunman dies in attack.

CRAIG

Oh my gosh.

KEVIN

And I'm like, really? This is the— and now again, here, here, here's the thing that I, that I wanna say. For, for us to expect the liberal media to make non-liberal statements is a little, is a little bit crazy.

CRAIG

But— I don't know that that's a liberal statement as much as it is a, an attempt to mislead.

KEVIN

Well, that, and I, I think, I feel like for the conservative person that this happened to, it's a misleading statement by the liberal media. That's my point. Now, that being said, it is what it is, but it is misleading. And if after it happened, I, I didn't— I wasn't watching whenever it happened.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And so I went searching and, and I'm, and I'm like, oh, it's just, you know, he, he fell. Oh, he heard loud noises. And then, and I'm like, Wait a minute. No, no, there was a gunshot. He actually got hit. This is an assassination attempt.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And we're not— and we're not— we're not talking about it like that.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Which is crazy to me. Yeah, crazy.

CRAIG

It's— dude, like that whole— okay, I looked it up. It was 430 feet.

KEVIN

Oh gosh. So yeah, some— the numbers I was thinking were feet.

CRAIG

It's like around 120 yards.

KEVIN

It's— it's way too close. Right, for you not to have secured that area.

CRAIG

Yeah, it's crazy close.

KEVIN

It is.

CRAIG

I mean, like, I, I heard, I heard some guys on, on one of the shows I listened to talking about— I was like, my daughter could take that shot, right?

KEVIN

120 yards, that, that's— people take those shots at deer all the time.

CRAIG

All the time.

KEVIN

All the time. Yes, absolutely.

CRAIG

So it's not that far. Yeah. So, and, and like, here's the thing, man, is Um, it's been a very revealing couple of days. Like, there are absolute bags of human garbage out there that are talking about how they're really upset that the shooter missed. And I know that bothers me. And also, like, uh, guys like, uh, Destiny— are you familiar with that guy? Like, out there saying, like, I'm not gonna feel bad for somebody that got shot that was there cheering on a tyrant. And I'm like, that— you're human garbage, right? You're absolute trash.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Like, I'm done. I'm done with you as a person. Like, I'm sorry. That's, that's just reprehensible to say. And I mean, like, that's, that's somebody's dad.

KEVIN

Yes.

CRAIG

Somebody's brother, somebody's son.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

I don't care. I don't care what his political affiliation doesn't matter. You don't celebrate somebody's untimely death.

KEVIN

Right. And murder. Oh, it's murder.

CRAIG

Absolutely. And, and, and so, like, it's been very revealing. Are you familiar with the account Libs of TikTok? No.

KEVIN

It—

CRAIG

she's on— it's actually a gal that runs the account, and she basically just goes around exposing people who say and do horrendous things via the internet. Okay. And she has been systematically combing X for people who have been saying things like this and then posting their tweet or their— I don't know what they're calling it now.

KEVIN

I don't either.

CRAIG

Posting their post.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And then tagging their employer. Oh, and being like, what you going to do? Because most of these, most of the people that she's been finding work for public institutions like schools, universities, hospitals, things like that.

KEVIN

This is the type of person you have working for you, right?

CRAIG

Yeah. What are you going to do about it?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, and a lot of these people have been dismissed.

KEVIN

Oh, wow.

CRAIG

And good.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, I mean, like, it's, it's, it's crazy. But one, it's one thing to think that. It's another thing to write it down and then post it for the world to see.

KEVIN

Yep. Which, what's interesting is I, I've seen a lot of people reposting. I've not seen one that was reposted by the same person.

CRAIG

What do you mean?

KEVIN

I mean, like, I've seen multiple people repost a statement very similar to, like, hey, if you— okay. The one that I've seen more than anything, a similar post to this. If you think that what happened at the Trump rally is good.

CRAIG

Oh, you talking about unfriend me type?

KEVIN

Unfriend me.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah. I've seen that.

KEVIN

I've seen— But I've seen dozens of people repost that statement, all of them from different people that originated it.

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

Which means there's just, there's just hundreds of people out there, maybe thousands, right, posting this. Now, I have a lot of feelings about, you know, if you have a— if you think differently than me, then unfriend me. I have a— I don't really feel that way. However, If I think the point is different than that, I think the point is if you think taking a human life is okay and you're proud of it, yeah, then I'm— you and I are not.

CRAIG

Or if you're upset that a human life didn't get taken.

KEVIN

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Then, then you and I think so differently.

CRAIG

We have, we have fundamental differences on our philosophies, right?

KEVIN

then, then I— you and I don't need to be Facebook friends.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

It's not that I don't care about who you are. Maybe—

CRAIG

Yeah. We don't need to be on the same continent, honestly.

KEVIN

Right. Definitely don't need to be Facebook friends. I get the, I get the sentiment at least. So it's just the, again, going back to what I said earlier—

CRAIG

Which I, I, I'm with you. I'm not typically like that about political things, but I also don't think that this is a political thing. I don't either. This is a human thing.

KEVIN

This, this is a human thing. So completely different scenario. While it is based in political nature, it's like I said earlier, right? I don't care if it's Trump or Biden or somebody else. You take someone's life. I don't see how you can celebrate that.

CRAIG

No, I would never, ever. And I have a hard time being because I'm not politically to the left, I have a hard time being frustrated with Biden at all.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Because, I mean, for the very reason that a lot of people are not happy with him right now.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Um, which, here's the thing, man, is I, I was, I was thinking, like, before the incident with, uh, Trump in Pennsylvania happened, I was like, man, Biden really screwed the pooch at that, at that debate.

KEVIN

He sure did.

CRAIG

And I was like, I don't think it could get much worse than it is right now. Because, like, after the debate, Like, a lot of the media turned on him. A lot of his party have turned on him and said, like, hey, you need to, you need to step away. You need to step down. I was like, man, it can't get much worse for Biden. And then this happens and I'm like, it's worse. It's worse.

KEVIN

It's worse.

CRAIG

It's worse for him.

KEVIN

Yeah. As if it hadn't gotten bad enough for him.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Especially like even before that debate, you had the whole indictment stuff. that people were rallying around. Sure. And then you had, then you had the debate, and now you have this. People are, people are coming out of the woodworks. Yeah, right now.

CRAIG

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's an interesting one, man. And like, the— my, my, my big issue with this, this shooting, and because I think, I think we're going to learn a lot about the shooter in the weeks to come. Yeah. My, my problem is, now that this has happened, is who is going to take responsibility for the words that they've used to describe him? Because you can't tell me that you, you can continuously go around in public and deem somebody a threat to democracy, which is what they've been calling him for months.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

a threat to democracy and then calling him the next Hitler. Like the— like, that's like, that's one of like the, the ultimate ethic questions, right? Is if you could go back in time and murder Hitler, would you do it before he had done anything, any of those evil things? Would you do it? I mean, and there's a lot of people who hear that question and without even giving it a second thought will go, yeah, I'd go back and murder him in a second. And, and so these, these are questions that people ask themselves all the time. And so when you call a person in public over a microphone, over media, you call him Hitler, you call him a threat to democracy.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

You say it long enough, loud enough, people are eventually going to believe it. And people that— there is enough people out there that when— even though there's a lot of people that believe things and don't do anything about their beliefs, there's lots of people that believe things and will do something about their beliefs.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

I don't know that that was his belief, the person that did the shooting.

KEVIN

It's hard to know.

CRAIG

Um, I think we're gonna learn a lot.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

And I'd be surprised if that's not the case.

KEVIN

I would too. I mean, the dude's 20.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

He's 20 years old.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

So to, to get to a point where you are politically active enough at the age 20, it, it, it's— I don't know. I got a lot of questions.

CRAIG

I, I just, I just wanna know if, if any of those politicians who— and media personalities that have been saying and parroting those things. And also, by the way, were the same people who were saying and parroting that because of Trump's language, January 6th happened. And I don't, I don't know that I disagree with her.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

But that because of his language, those things happened.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

But they've, they've been willing to, you know, persecute him.

KEVIN

Of course.

CRAIG

And say that he's ultimately responsible for everything that happened that day.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Okay. So now are you responsible for everything that happened at this rally? Yeah. Like, because we have to operate on the same standard.

KEVIN

The question has to be asked. If one is true, the other has to at least be questioned.

CRAIG

So like, if so, then I need all of you to fess up.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And apologize.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And change.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Just stop saying stupid crap.

KEVIN

Don't, don't— exactly.

CRAIG

Like, yeah, hyperbolic BS for news and clicks. I'm sorry, just be done with it.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

I'm tired of it.

KEVIN

It is, it is the, the new craziness of anything in our world is the fact that every piece of information is immediately available.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And, and, you know, You, you can say you don't like the, the phrase all day long, but when you and I grew up, that wasn't the case. We didn't have— we had to wait till the 10 o'clock news to come on to— or 6 o'clock news, I guess, to know what was going on.

CRAIG

Right. And, um, read a newspaper.

KEVIN

Read newspaper the next day.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

I mean, we— things didn't come out in such a way that every piece of information is readily available in the exact moment. And even if the newspaper comment came out, we wouldn't have some of the information like these, you know, images and videos, you know, strung together, you know, in this way. We're just living in a world where all of this is so readily available. And, and truth be told, we— there's stuff out there right now about what happened that is unsubstantiated at the moment.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And until it is, we kind of need to operate that way. We don't know if it's true. Yeah. So act like we don't know that it's true. Not everything you read on the internet is true, by the way. I don't know if you knew that.

CRAIG

How dare you, Kevin?

KEVIN

I know. I know. Unless you hear it here.

CRAIG

Well, yeah, everything here is absolutely 100% true. That's right. So I've got 2 other little tidbits for you. One, I think this changed the nature of this election, like, astronomically.

KEVIN

I agree.

CRAIG

And I'll give you, like, just a, um, just an instance as to what I mean by that. Um, I was sitting around with a group of guys on Sunday just talking about everything that happened, and not everybody in that group is a Trump fan.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, and we were talking about the shooting, and we were talking about what happened after the shooting, because what happened after the shooting is more incredible than anything, because the dude I don't know if you, if you've listened to any of the audio.

KEVIN

I have.

CRAIG

Um, but like, he's like, let me get my shoes and just wait a minute.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

So that he can stand up, put his fist in the air, and yell, fight, fight, fight!

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And like, you, you learn— like, in anybody that's ever been in a horrific situation like that, um, you learn about a lot about yourself.

KEVIN

Oh yeah.

CRAIG

When the guns start shooting and you know, everything starts flying through the air.

KEVIN

Typically speaking, you either run away or you run toward, right? You— or, or you paralyzed to the point where you have, you have no ability to do anything, right?

CRAIG

Um, and, and like, for me, my, my big one was— and I don't know if we've ever talked about this on the show— was, uh, back in '99 at the bonfire. Yeah, like, that thing fell right in front of me. I learned a lot about myself that night.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Um, stuff I liked and stuff I didn't like.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Um, but I also learned that how I would never behave in a tragic situation again.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Because there was a— there was some good stuff that I did.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And there was some stuff that I was like, man, I could have done that better.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, you learn— you learn a lot about yourself. What I saw in that man was, I mean, that dude was pissed.

KEVIN

Yes.

CRAIG

He was ready to fight. He wasn't— he wasn't saying y'all need to fight. He was saying, I'm fighting.

KEVIN

I'm— I'm not going down swinging.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Without swinging.

CRAIG

I mean, so I'm sitting around with some guys, and here's the one comment that I walked away with. I was like, this is why it changes everything. This guy goes, he goes, you know, I don't really like Trump all that much, but that was pretty badass. And I was like, yeah, it was. Like, every, every guy in America that watched that, I mean, and there's, there's, you know, I'm sorry, there's, there's just some, some asshats out there that are, you know, the ones that are out there like, this is staged. This is fake. You know, how dare they didn't— maybe that guy just needed better shooting training. I mean, it's all that kind of dumb shit. Those guys are out there. But like any, any actual

CRAIG

man that has testosterone in his body looked at that and went, that's pretty badass.

KEVIN

Yeah. They look at it and go, I would— I hope I would have reacted.

CRAIG

Exactly. That's how I hope I would have responded to the situation. Because I don't know that you could have responded to it any better than that.

KEVIN

Sure. Yeah, no, it was— yeah, that the, the response in him was, I will not allow something like this to keep me down.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

What's real interesting is you even hear people in the media saying, well, well, it'll be real interesting in the days to come to see how Trump responds to this. I mean, he's already had a lot of adversity. We'll see if this is something that derails him. I'm like, did you just— did you even watch what happened?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Were you even aware? Did you even see what happened? Because what happened was not a guy going, you know what, I think I might be done now. I don't know if I can handle this any longer.

CRAIG

There are, there are people in— there are men in this world that would have had that happen to them and said, you know what, I'm good.

KEVIN

Yeah, absolutely.

CRAIG

Just walked away.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

Um, and I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

That, I mean, that could be the way that you need to respond to that situation. Everyone needs to be like, that dude stood up and said, nope.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Not today.

KEVIN

Not today.

CRAIG

So the other thing I thought was, at least that I thought that you would appreciate, is he nominated— I saw that. J.D.

KEVIN

Vance. I saw that.

CRAIG

Was the— he's the vice presidential pick.

KEVIN

A former critic.

CRAIG

Yeah, former critic.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

A New York Times bestseller that was turned into a movie.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

Like, my wife called me today and she's like, I love that book.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah. Mostly because it, like, she relates to it. Like, she's from the same part of the country as him.

KEVIN

Oh, okay.

CRAIG

And so she was like, that sounds like my family.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But interesting fact.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

If elected, will be the first vice presidential vice— be the first vice president with facial hair in over 100 years. Well, That, that, that alone. Yeah. Should just ignite the bearded community everywhere.

KEVIN

Everywhere. That is hilarious because that is not something that I would have thought about. And he keeps it pretty tight.

CRAIG

No, he's got a nice beard.

KEVIN

Not like anything like this going on.

CRAIG

No, I mean, but like, you know, he keeps it nice, but like, it'll— it's not common in politics.

KEVIN

It really isn't. It's funny because I have a lot of people that whenever I would tell them that whenever I was officiating football, I had to shave my beard and they were like, why? Yeah, well, that sounds ridiculous. I'm like, well, it's a— it is a professionalism thing. They're like, well, that's stupid. Okay, look, look at the number of people in the world that are in like high professional like jobs, right, that have beards. They don't— they don't exist very often. No, they don't.

CRAIG

I think— I think it's becoming less and less of a thing.

KEVIN

It absolutely is. The, the times, they are a-changin'.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

However, you look and you start looking at, at high officials, CEOs, you know, people like that, and they, they don't have facial hair. I don't know what it is, something about it.

CRAIG

I don't know, I don't know what it is, but I'm excited. I mean, just, I mean, because he, he looks kind of like a, like a— yeah, and he's young, man.

KEVIN

He's 39 years old.

CRAIG

I know. So, I mean, goodness gracious, if, if nothing else, man, I mean, like, look, You want to talk about, like, invigorating the party, getting some fresh blood in there like that? I mean, that's how you do it. Also, like, apparently, apparently he's really smart and very well-spoken. And I'm really looking forward to a vice presidential debate because I think that could actually be, like, way more substantive.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Than the presidential debate.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

You're not wrong. Like, we might actually have a real debate. Yeah.

CRAIG

Although, I mean, like, it, it could go really bad because, I mean, like, debates is what knocked— come on, is it Kamala?

KEVIN

Kamala Harris.

CRAIG

That's what knocked her out of the running for the president's, right, presidential, uh, nomination, right, in 2020, right? Tulsi Gabbard took her down.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

And like, with like—

KEVIN

it was like, it was pretty simple. It didn't take—

CRAIG

it was brutal though.

KEVIN

Brutal. I loved it. I may have loved it. I may have loved it. it.

CRAIG

So I was— I got to be honest, I was actually, you know, because she defected. Oh, from the Democrat Party?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

I was actually kind of hoping that she would be the VP.

KEVIN

Oh, yeah.

CRAIG

Because, I mean, she's, she's, she's still active military, right? Former congresswoman.

KEVIN

Very popular. Sure. Very well-spoken.

CRAIG

Articulate. I mean, you know, just across the board and like, not someone that I agree with on everything.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

But I thought, like, could be a pick that could bring, like, a lot of unity.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

To the country. You know, former Democrat, a woman. But unfortunately, we went with another white guy. Yep. So not that— not that— I mean, like, I mean, look, if he's the best guy, bring him on. But like, yep, maybe we could have gone another direction.

KEVIN

Maybe. Maybe.

CRAIG

But, you know, he's got the beard.

KEVIN

He does have the beard, and I'm just saying that might get my vote.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Come on, beards.

CRAIG

Yeah. So anyway, guys, uh, thank you for watching the episode.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Or listening to the episode.

KEVIN

Yeah. Thanks for, for joining us, uh, on this— what was not— it was funny whenever Craig, you know, time to— said, hey, it's time to record another episode. I was like, all right, I guess it's Hurricane and Trump, isn't it? And he's like, yep, yep, that's what we're talking about.

CRAIG

Let's do it.

KEVIN

So thanks for joining us. And, you know, if you got any questions, you know, send us an email, info@homeownersshow.com. If you've not already liked and subscribed to our channels, please do so. YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, all the things. And tell your friends about us. They probably want to hear it. And yeah, until next time. We'll see you later.

CRAIG

See ya.

KEVIN

So something really odd happened at some point, and I didn't notice it until maybe the last 15 minutes.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

We didn't have any audio coming through.

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