That Time We Talked To Mr. America

This is episode number 75 of The Homeowner Show. Whether you're DIY or looking to hire, we're here to help you find the best information and options for you and your home. My name is Kevin Hackett, and here with me is Craig Williams.

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I gotta do something different every time. It's become a thing now. It's a personal challenge to—

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Yes. So you found us, now like us, right? That's, that's what you mean.

You can't help it.

No.

Yeah, it's inevitable.

We're lovable. So how you doing, man?

I'm doing, I'm doing good. We're— this is kind of cool, man. I mean, we're episode 75.

Yeah.

So we're like 25 away from that 100 mark, which, I mean, like when you and I got started, it was like, dude, we're never going to get to 100.

No, I was— I didn't know if we were going to get to like 6.

Yeah. And it's bearing down on us like a train. Yeah, it's like it's gonna be here tomorrow.

Yeah, it's funny because like I feel like you look at it and there's 52 weeks in a year, right? We're weekly at this point, so just under a year— our second year, just under our second year, we'll be at 100, right?

So it's bizarre, man.

Yeah, which means that we've been doing this for a year and a half, is what that means at this point.

So Anyway, it took us a year and a half to stick it to Bob Vila. That's what it is.

Well, we're, we're still working on that, uh, because since we've surpassed him, right, we still— I don't know that we've still quite stuck it to him.

Well, we gotta, we gotta, you know, keep the pressure on, people.

That's right.

We need, we need some more reviews to, uh, to, you know, just really humiliate old Bob.

Yes. I, I want to get to the point where Tim the Toolman Taylor is is wanting our phone number.

That's right.

That's what I'm waiting for.

Would you rather have Tim or Al? And it's like we're talking about these guys like they're real.

Oh, Tim's real. He's just not the Toolman Taylor, I guess.

Yeah.

So anyway, so cool.

Yeah, man. We— so this, this week, man, there was, there was a little bit of construction going on around the studio, not necessarily in the studio.

Okay.

But we had an, we had an interesting situation. So we had the, we had the roof replaced on this building. about a year and a half ago. And so we're doing another addition on the upstairs.

Okay.

And as we were getting ready to put the ceiling in, we realized that the people who had built it had not, you know, surprise, had not built it to code.

What?

And so anyway, there's this thing with wood width and depth and how long those pieces. So like they were using wood that was too small for too long Okay, so it's structurally unsound is what you're telling me.

The building we are currently in is structurally unsound.

Well, sure. It was, it was. So, we had to go through and— I mean, I didn't have anything to do with it but this is what had to be done. We had to reinforce those beams with bigger beams.

Okay.

So, it was just an interesting process to see. I mean, you basically sister up A heavier beam. And so, what had happened over time is that it was starting to sag. And so, you know, we couldn't adjust the sag, you know.

Right.

Just, you know, kind of like getting old. Um, but you couldn't adjust the sag, but you could keep it from sagging further.

Sure.

So, that's what we did is we sistered them up and made it— and it actually looks pretty good. So, we'll have it— it'll also allow it to have like sort of a flush flat ceiling on the inside now. Okay.

So, well, I— one of my favorite things about this place, your, your homestead, is in under the, the party barn area, the deck. And the beams that are in there are my favorite thing because, uh, so we need to take a picture of this and like post it because, uh, these aren't real beams.

I don't even know.

There, there's like, and I, I kid you not, there's like a dozen 2x4s just that have been nailed together I guess.

Yeah, it's—

that are, that are creating a beam, and they're all exposed, so you can't miss it. It's just there. And so it's, it's hilarious to me. I guess it works.

It's— I mean, they're standing and it's strong.

Yeah, it has to be.

I, I don't— well, I don't even know if they're like— are they screwed together? Are they nailed together? Are they glued together? I don't know.

I mean, I hope all of the above. So at least, at least glued and nailed, hopefully glued and screwed.

I don't know, man. That's just the weirdest, most bizarre thing. And there's, there's 2 of them.

Yeah, no, but they're strong. I mean, you— anytime you put a dozen 2x4s together, it's gonna be strong.

Yeah.

So I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't break through it. I mean, I, I'm— I, I could probably get them through half of it.

We should, we should give Bruce— if Bruce was— Bruce Lee was still around, we should give him a whack. I don't think he could do it.

No, it's I don't even know if our guest could do it.

I don't know.

He's a strong dude.

That's an excellent segue, Kev.

I tried.

We're really excited about our guest today. We've been working on getting this guy in the studio for a while now, so we're really excited to have him in. We've got Dr. Chris Zaino in the house. How you doing?

Hey, guys! Thanks so much for having me! It's awesome! You're talking, and I can't help but— I'm looking at your profile, and dude, I see your dad.

Holy cow! I don't see mom. Oh, man.

Geez. So I'm sitting there going like—

I don't have the 'stache, though. That's the issue.

Well, his 'stache was—

He's got some serious 'stache game. That thing.

Man.

I mean, like him and Sam Elliott are like—

Yeah, yeah.

It's a money pit.

So obviously, we haven't— this is like the second time that we've met, but we've known about each other for a long time because you were taking care of my parents back in the day and getting them all straightened out, which is probably a good segue just to kind of tell our Tell everybody, you know, tell them a little bit about your story. Where do you come from?

Um, I have many lives. So where do you want to start?

Let's, let's go all the way back to the beginning because, I mean, you were telling us a little bit before we, uh, got started with the show, you used to train some folks. You competed in some, uh, some competitions and, and won those competitions, right?

Yeah.

So we'll go back to '98.

Let's do it.

So, uh, in 1998, I won Mr. America. So that was awesome. You know, I was 21, uh, senior. You know, that's just when I was getting out of college, uh, University of Central Florida. So I had that title and I'm degree in exercise phys, you have Universal Studios Florida there.

So, so real quick, so what is Mr. America?

Oh, it's a bodybuilding show.

Okay.

Yeah, you know, so competing and you got this title like Mr. America.

Yeah.

It was like the thing, right?

It was so cool. And I didn't know you grew up in— you grew up in Central Florida?

No, I grew up in New York, but like all New Yorkers do.

You go down south.

You go down south to Florida. So, uh, I, I— they went to Sarasota, Florida, so I went to college in Orlando.

Okay.

Yeah.

So I grew up in Cocoa Beach.

Nice. Well, that's where I won the Mr. America.

Oh, there you go.

And it is now connected.

Full circle.

I, however, did not enter the Mr. America competition, but—

Well, you, you clearly would have lost.

Yeah.

So I, I would love to see you compete in it though.

So, you know, so we did that and that was kind of like the thing, you know, I was doing that college training people and, um, Then a couple years later, and that was the whole thing, like cover magazines, the whole thing.

Yeah.

The whole fitness stuff. And then, uh, I always had like— I was starting to get like digestive problems. No big deal, you know, think, think it'll go away. Then, you know, you just start having more digestive problems, and I started bleeding every time I went to the bathroom. And then I played Google Doctor, like, you know.

Yeah.

You ever play Google Doctor? Blood in stool is cancer. My dad had died of cancer when I was 21. So I'm thinking, geez, you know, I was like, is this it? And then I, I did the immature thing is I disassociated, which means you turn your head from the truth, whether you turn your head from what's going on thinking it'll go away, and it didn't, you know, it just got worse and worse. And, uh, I went from 230 pounds to 158 pounds.

Oh my gosh.

And it was horrible, man. I was diagnosed with an incurable disease called ulcerative colitis. And for those of you that are listening, it's an autoimmune disease where your own body is attacking and destroying your colon. And they put me on drugs, and only nothing was working. 3 months of hell, and the only option was to take my colon out. And they said, we're gonna have to take your colon out. You're gonna be— they said I was sterile from the medication. They said, you'll be on 6 grams worth of meds for the rest save your life. But then they're like, we don't even know if you'll get through the surgery because you're on so many immunosuppressants

that we don't know, like, you'll probably get infection. I'm like, so it's like, it's a horrible situation.

Lose-lose situation.

Yeah. And at that time, my mom, who lives in Sarasota, Florida, you know, she lost my dad and she lost 2 sons at this point. So I'm like her 3rd son who's dying. And so she's a prayer warrior, so she sends out that email saying, you know, pray for my son. Because she like— so my 2 brothers who died, everybody wants to know how they died. Um, one died of a freak accident, one died of a heroin overdose that My mom actually found him.

Oh my gosh.

So that was brutal, right?

Are these younger or older brothers?

Older.

Older brothers? Okay.

Yeah, I'm the youngest. So she's going through this again. So she sends out the prayer email and everybody says, well, you know, bless the surgeon's hands, you know, the whole thing. You get back and one person, my anatomy teacher from 10th grade, said, hey, listen, when you come into town, I want you to see my doctor. I'm like, he's a wellness doctor. And I go, you know how a lot of people, they want to mean well?

Yeah.

Hey, I heard this juice is good for you. No, you know, like, take aloe. It's like, stop.

Yeah.

I'm dying over here.

I'm dying over here.

And you're telling me, like, rub aloe on my belly. Yeah, I mean, but people mean well. We absolutely— yeah. That, like, that meaning well, thank you so much. And, uh, when I went home, he was there. I'm like, dude, what are you doing here? He's like, listen, let's go see my doctor. He's a corrective care chiropractor. It'll change your life. And I said, what? He said, he's a corrective care chiropractor. Let's go check him out. He'll, he'll find the problem that's causing this and you'll be good. Very nonchalant like that. And I'm like, I just went to Baylor Medical, billion-dollar facility, the best doctors in the country. They can't help me. And you want this guy who has like a

clinic in his home?

Yeah.

Like, you kidding me? Like, you serious?

Let me drink some tea or something.

Yeah.

Which, you know, dream catchers everywhere. So what I'm trying to say is very skeptical I was. And I said, thanks. I go, but I tried everything. Thank you so much. I tried it all. And he looked at me, and this was a really good thing, and maybe this could kind of do what you guys do if you're, if you're fighting, you're finding a tough thing in your, in your house when you're building it. He goes, you didn't try everything. He goes, because if you tried everything, you would have had your result. I'm like, it was enough to open my eyes going, oh my God, that's a, that's a true statement.

Yeah.

Like, I, I thought I tried everything. So when you think you tried everything, you lose hope and you become a victim, right? And then you're like, well, see, I tried everything, can't do it. But it's like, no, he's right. If you truly tried everything, you would have found your solution. And I'm like, he's right. So I went to check this guy out and listen to what he had to say. Spoken laws, you know, your brain controls everything. I'm like, yes, it does. You know, your spinal cord goes to nerves. Yep. They go to organs. Yes. So what if I cut the head off? I would die, right? So anything damaged in your spine and nervous

system will shut down your organs. So I took x-rays of my spine and my lower spine was trashed. I never felt it, but it looked like a train wreck. From what? I don't know. You know, from car accidents or whatever.

Yeah. Had you had some bad car accidents? Yeah.

And I looked at that thing, it's like, you know, you're like, I didn't fall off a roof. But see, it's just like—

Did bodybuilding have any possibility there? Sure.

I bet you like, you know, a slightly crooked spine, you throw weight on it, it would make it worse.

Yeah.

But it's one of those things, it's compounding damage over time and years. And how about like just if we never took care of something we should have been taking care of? Of course, over time, it just— just like anything else, it's gonna decay and be destroyed. So I saw a blind spot. So he pointed out blind spots that I know about. You know, we know how to brush our teeth, we know how to take care of our cars, but I just didn't know how to take care of the spine. For me, that was, that was the, the blind spot for me. So I started taking care of that, and, uh, I was still skeptical. I'm like, when am I gonna

get better? Because, you know, when you want to get better, you want to get better now.

Yeah.

And his bedside manner was so bad, and, and that was the best thing ever. Because, you know, bedside, you know, they try to be nice. He's like, listen, he goes, as long as you have that damage there, your body's not in the, in the environment to be able to heal itself. And he goes, put it all on me. He goes, but when you choose to take care of your problem that you have that's affecting your life and your future, and then, then it'll be in the environment to be able to heal itself. He's like, but the day and the hour you're asking me, he's like, it's not up to me. He goes, it's up to you, your body, and God. He's

like, but you will get better if you don't quit on yourself, no matter how long that takes.

Hmm.

I was like, that was the most honest, real answer ever.

Yeah.

And so I chose that route out of 99% of people tell me, do the surgery, get this removed. And, and I wish I could tell you a week later I was great. No, like 3 months Blood, like just seeing stuff you don't want to see. But it takes time for the body to heal. But by 7 months, I was off all the drugs and totally fine. Body healed itself. And that was 17 years ago.

Yeah, I mean, like 7 months probably seemed like a long time then, but like, you know, now you're just kind of, you know, it was 7 months later, it was no big deal.

No, but I want to let people know, it's like, you know, that process getting back might feel like an eternity. And that's why I said, I promise you'll get well as long as you don't quit on yourself. And, you know, 2, 3 months in, it's like, I want to stop.

Yeah. And because this is not working, but you had to keep seeing him over those 3 or 3 months, 7 months.

Yeah, you know, correcting that spine like braces correct teeth. And that did the trick for me. And that's, that's when I went— and then I went back to school for that because like I was telling you guys before, now I had a story. Like now I didn't have just a job because a job is a job, but now I have a job with an experience behind it. And when you have an experience behind something, now you have actual, you know, real experience behind that thing, then Every word you say, or teaching that thing, or dealing with that thing, or helping other people—it's coming from a different place. Yeah, because when you have experience, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. When you have experience, it's like I was scared. I was afraid.

I didn't know if it was like like you have you you overcame all of that. Yeah, and that's part of the experience—is the skepticism—is is this going to work? I don't know what happens if I lose. Like it's going through the risk. It's actually having the courage. That's what courage is—is going through that and then overcoming that. And there you become now a beacon of light to help. someone get through it because I felt all alone. And so now when you've been there, now you could help someone else who's in the same situation, but they won't feel alone as much as you did. And sometimes I tell my patients, hey, in the beginning, it's, it's okay if you want to borrow my certainty in your ability to get

well, because sometimes they're losing certainty and confidence. Like, I go, borrow my confidence in you until you start getting better. Yeah, because you're scared.

Yeah. And at that point, you're really running off of a different different level of empathy rather than— I mean, it really turns into sympathy at that point where you're saying, listen, I have been there. I know, I do know what this is like. And look at me, like, I'm good. So I think that does. And so one of the things that I can, you know, if you were to go right now and look at Dr. Zaino's Facebook or Instagram or anything, you're gonna find out pretty quickly that You're a pretty inspiring type of person that you, you, you like to inspire people, and it's part of who you are and what you do. So, uh, and, and we've heard it just now already as you've, you know,

inspired me a little bit just listening to that story. Um, but it also says a lot to, uh, how inspiring and wonderful story is. There's something really incredible about story. And So that's incredible. So thanks for sharing that.

Oh, sure. No, I totally agree. And for someone who's listening, they might say, well, I don't have a story like that. It's like, no, you do. A lot of times we take our experiences for granted because you lived them.

Yeah.

It's like, well, I don't have a story. Well, your life wasn't perfect. It's like for me, I had my parents growing up together. Someone, you might have come from a divorced family or just a mom or dad raising you. It's like, that's an experience. We take those things for granted. that that experience you have is something that— to help someone else who went through the same experience but may have not responded to that situation as well as you have, to where you overcame it and they're still, you know, blaming, blaming the circumstances. Can I give you an example of this?

Yeah.

A friend of mine, his dad left, right? And so his mom raised him, and he's like— was so upset about his dad, like just anger for the dad. And here he is in his 40s, you know, you know, he was sitting down and he was talking to someone and still have dad issues.

Mm-hmm.

And like, he was never there for me, you know, he, he gave, you know, because of this I was, you know, it— I wish I would have had this, this whole thing. And he came to the realization that I'm like, well, your dad did serve you. It's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I go, from your dad not being there and being the way he was, like, how you as a— I go, how you as a husband Much amazing loving husband, how you as a father loves his kids. I'm like, so because, because I don't want, I don't want my kids to go through what I went through. I'm like, so you see, your dad did serve you.

Yeah.

And so when you could realize, oh my God, this, this, this situation that I thought I was a victim of, it was really probably the greatest teaching moment of my life because he's an amazing husband, amazing father, the total opposite of what his dad was. Yeah. So his dad served him. So I think if we really could become self-aware and really look at it, every— all of us can find that out of that, out of whatever we went through. And then you flip that and you help others. They're like, yeah, my dad wasn't there. It's like, yeah, but so he served you. He taught you. He was a great teacher. Well, how can you say that? Well, look, you're an amazing father. Amazing, you know,

you're an amazing dad, amazing husband. You're right.

So I don't want to get too far in the weeds on this, but I'm really curious because I think this is, this is really, really good information. Like, how do you, how do you take someone who's lived a victim mentality their whole life? You know, this, this has caused this and this, and, and, you know, they've spiraled to a point. How do you get someone who has been a victim and who has felt very victimized their life to turn that around?

I mean, yeah, I mean, let's think of the sickest things such as like rape or molestation. Like, you're like, how the hell do you turn that thing around?

Yeah.

Well, it's because you nailed it before. You're like, because there's a level of empathy of someone who went through the same thing that— because I never went through that, I could never understand someone. How can I help someone? But someone who did go through that, they're the perfect person to help that person. And I think through helping them and being transparent, that also produces their own healing. Because when I started telling my story, like, I tell my story, I go right to it. Like, I lost my bowels in public, man. Like, it was in front of 40 people, losing my bowels in public. So People are like, why do you even tell that story? I'm like, you know why? Because the more I told that, down to the dirtiest of the dirty,

I realized something that I healed from. Like, I healed from that situation, meaning that I saw that situation as an experience, not a victim. So it was like, I had this experience 17 years ago.

Yeah.

When I— like, so it became an experience that made me better. That was really a blessing. Holy cow. Like, if I didn't do that, I wouldn't have went on this whole journey, right? So if you could look at those areas, like you say, how can you take a victim? If you could help them see that as an experience, that they weren't singled out, it was an experience they went to to be used to either help other people or create a mission or a purpose for this planet, for what they're here for. And, you know, a lot of times a purpose, guys, could come from something that— not that you love, but that you hate. You know, like we hate, uh, you know, human trafficking, right? So that could create a purpose to help stop. So

like a lot of times people are trying to find this lovey-dovey kumbaya purpose.

Right.

But a purpose could come from something that you stand against.

Mm-hmm.

You know, so that's—

It really, it really stems from a level of passion, doesn't it? Oh, yes. Yeah. Like, anything that you're passionate about can turn into— and you could be passionate about hating something, right? Just as much as you could be passionate about loving something. So that's really good.

Yeah. So yeah, and I mean, it sounds like from the, the doctor that you talked to and then, and then some of these other folks that you've been in situations you've been dealing with, so one of the issues that Yeah. That continues to come up is taking responsibility for what it is that you've done with your circumstances, whether or not you've allowed it. When you're talking about telling that story that you were embarrassed about, you were telling that story, it sounds like, so that it didn't have power over you anymore, so that it didn't have control over you because otherwise it would be a source of shame or humiliation. Instead, it's a source of inspiration for you to— one, for you to be able to tell it and then And 2, other people who are

dealing with the same issue can then jump on and go, yeah, that's me too.

Totally nailed it because, right, I think a lot of the secrets we hold in the dark, you know, when they stay there, they fester and they grow. But when you put that in the open, in the light and show— because we're in a very— and, you know, especially in today's society, social media society, everybody's showing their best part and we're almost afraid to seem not perfect. But in fact, it's the imperfection that makes us human and beautiful. And if you could just shine light on that, then it can't exist anymore, or it can't exist to destroy you anymore and hold you back.

Yeah. And it seems like that's such a weird thing that people use to— I was thinking about that moment in the recent Democratic debates where I think it was Elizabeth Warren was saying that Bernie Sanders said in private that no woman could ever be president, and she was sort of bringing that to light. And then everyone was like, ooh, that's such an ugly thing. How dare you bring that out in the light and say that about— and then it became that he said all that. It became political and all that kind of stuff. But that seemed like that's what she was trying to do in a kind of a grimy political way. But that's what was going on, right? Is this trying to bring to light this thing so that I can expose it?

Yeah. And that's how he would respond. I always think of Bob Barker. And this is not a tangent, but I remember the media loves to get you in a lie.

Right.

Loves it.

Yes.

So Bob Barker, they're like, um, rumor has it that you had an affair with one of the Barker Beauties. He's like, yes, we did. It was consensual and it was fantastic. And then the media literally walked away. And Bob Barker, he's in his 70s, right? I'm like, he shut it down. He's like, yeah.

It's amazing.

Just like some of the athletes, they're like, you know, we heard you tried performance-enhancing drugs.

Yeah.

Yeah, I did then.

And they're like, oh, okay.

Yeah.

Like, you can't— like, there's nothing else to talk about when you speak the truth. When you just be truthful, yeah, they can't get you. They love to get you in a lie. And then, you know, so yeah, just be as truthful as you can. But I know that's tough, you know, you want to hide just, just because— not that anybody's— just like there's some things it's like, well, it's none of their business to know.

Yeah. So, so talking about some of this chiropractic business that you're in, um, you've been doing this for a while. Yeah. And, um, it, it sounds to me like there's more to it than just the physical I mean, I sense from you that you wind up being a cheerleader for a lot of your patients on top of just someone coming in, you crack their back, so to speak, and, all right, come back in a week if you need it. It sounds to me like a big part of what a lot of people seem to have trouble overcoming is their own problems of saying, this is debilitating. I can't do this. I'm hurting and it's, it's causing this, this, and this. Um, so, so talk me through

how does— how do you see some of those things playing into just your mindset playing into your, your physical ailments?

Great question. So, you know, uh, the chiropractic, it's a science, philosophy, and art. So there's a science to it like everything else. There's a philosophy, which is the body was created to heal from the inside out. You know, basically we were created with all the tools we need. You know, the same wisdom that created the organs is the same wisdom that heals it. We just don't want any interference. And there is an art to it, and I think you really hit on the art. The art has to be— there's sometimes where you're right, someone needs to borrow your confidence. Sometimes someone needs you to speak life into them. And then sometimes people, uh, you need to be deaf to people's, uh—

you don't want to enable them. Like, they keep on talking about— they take on— they keep on telling the same story over and over again, but that's not the story anymore.

Mm-hmm.

It's like, stop Stop replaying that record or DVD or MP3. Whatever it is the kids are using these days.

Whatever you're streaming.

But it was like sometimes you're like, you know, yeah, I'm doing great, Dr. Zane. Everything's doing great. And they're like, but, but, but, but, but, but, but. I'm like, yeah, but you said you're doing great. You know what? I just almost selectively don't enable. Sometimes you just can't because you get stuck in this. You know why? Because sometimes being sick or being a victim actually becomes your source of significance. Because for some weird reason, that's when you start to get attention. Oh honey, you okay? Oh, I'm so sorry. Like, people pay attention now because you were sick or you were a victim.

Yeah.

I remember this one lady, she's like, well, can you— is there any discounts? Because, you know, I'm a widower. And I'm like, oh man, sorry to hear that. I go, when did your husband die? Last year? She's like, 18 years ago. Like, 18 years ago? You know, because— but that— but I was— but then you get empathy, you get very empathetic again. You're like, wow.

Yeah.

She is real. She's looping that story because probably when that happened, that's when people came out from her church, whatever, brought her food, showed her love. And that might have been the first time she got the feeling of love.

Yeah.

So in a weird way, we create a paradigm saying, well, that was what got me my attention, and you stay there.

Yeah.

But after a Well, it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, and it doesn't even mean that she's not still hurting from that. Of course she is. You know, and of course she is, but like, it doesn't mean that we need to feed into it to a certain degree. I mean, you know, that's, that's, that's something that's grabbed a hold of her and she's hung on to for a while.

But, you know, part of my purpose internally is I help people get their authority back. That's just kind of my own little mantra I said to myself. Like, I resurrect heroes, which is you. Everybody's here. And then I help you, I help you get your authority back. And when people are in that victim mentality, they have no authority and they're in bondage.

They're not free.

So I believe, you know, my job is to help people get their authority back.

So what is it— I mean, like, and this may be just jumping into it too quick, but like, what does it look like when someone has authority over their life, over their circumstances?

Oh, you see it in their eyes. They're like— it almost in the beginning seems slightly anger. Like, I am— you know, like, they— because anger, at least, you know, when they do the Navy SEAL trainings and the guys are exhausted and tired and they're almost going to cry and give up, they say, turn that into anger. Because at least anger, you don't want to stay there, but there's some sort of personal power behind anger. Right.

You're taking control back.

So you almost see like this, I'm, I'm, I'm done, blah blah blah. There's a line in his hand, I hit my level of disgust. That's like that transformation moment.

Yeah.

Where enough's enough. And it's a good thing. It's a positive enough's enough. I'm taking my life back. Like, you can see like, you know, I beat this. You know, they hit that level of— it's, it's, it's a moment. It's not, you know, we think like, oh, there's a long transformation. No, transformation happens in a second. You know, when that person looks in the mirror and they're so disgusted about they gained all this weight and all that, it's that one second that transformation's done.

Yeah.

And all of a sudden you're like, yeah, they lost 100 pounds. Well, how'd you do it? You tried for years. I, I just— enough's enough.

Yeah.

And then they, they take that personal power back. But sometimes you're in such an indifferent, um, apathetic— not empathetic, apathetic state— they almost kind of just been defeated and given up. So you bring them a level where they start to get a little bit of their authority back, man, It's like a— it's like a rabid dog and a T-bone steak, you know? They're ready to take their life back.

Yeah.

It's beautiful. And people, people learn. They learn how to get the thing that they feel like they need the most, right? So if they, you know, if it's love that they're seeking or, or whatever it is they're seeking, then they learn what avenue has worked in the past and they repeat it. And you talked about this a minute ago, how you've heard that story over and over and over. And so part of, part of what I hear you saying is it's really important to, to at some point stop saying the same story and understand that your story isn't, isn't just that small little segment. It can be a lot bigger than that. And it's, it's up to you. And you might need some help, though, to reorient yourself to get to a place where you realize

People will love you for who you are, not for what you've done or what you haven't done or the loss that you've experienced in your life. You're worth more than that, right? So, um, so what I hear you saying is it has a lot to do with— man, there's a lot of mind over matter here that, that it sounds like you're very, very keen on.

You have to be, because sometimes the biggest healing has to happen between the ears. Or in the chest, you know.

Okay. And when we were, uh, getting ready for this show, I was— I mean, I think both of us were kind of watching some of your stuff on YouTube, and, and one of the, one of the things I, I heard you speak into in your own life was that, you know, even, even for yourself, you kind of had your identity wrapped up in, in the, in the chiropractic business, and that you, you kind of figured out that like that was, that was just the wrong identity. I mean, this is, this is part of the Hero Project you've been working on, right, is helping people capture back Mm-hmm. Their identity and who they are and their real self. And so, so that was obviously like a big

shift for you. And I think that's something that a lot of people struggle with is, you know, they get their identity wrapped around either their job, you know, that, that house that they live in or that dream house that they think that they want, or, or, you know, their kids, that their identity can get wrapped up in all these external things rather than just who they are as a person. So how did that shift begin to happen for you?

Oh no, you nailed it because I found my identity in what I did, right? So therefore— and this is how you know. Well, how do I know I'm there? Well, if it was your job, if you put your identity in your job, it's like when you had a good week with your job, you're in a happy mood. When you had a bad week, you want to kick the dog. It's like you start to see your heartbeat is determined by how that job does and you're like, oh man, this thing. like my identity is wrapped up in here. And so what started to happen where for me to expand and to, you know, evolve and grow outside, you know, and do

the things I wanted to do in my life, it meant me leaving my lane, my, my beautiful comforting identity, which is, you know, because I had one of the largest practices in the world. So when you're known for like being the top and one of the best in history, you like that, right?

Yeah.

You want to keep that status. And so, but But because you like that, sometimes you get such a fixed identity that, that means that it also locks you into doing anything else. Because then if I leave that, I'm leaving something I was known for, and therefore I lose my identity. So how many people want to make that change, that career change, but their identity is so wrapped up that they're like, well, if I leave this, then I lose my identity?

Hmm.

And then I realized the switch. It's like, well, wait a second, I'm not a worthy or successful person. Chiropractic didn't make me that. Being a doctor made me that. I'm like, I'm a successful person that brought that to the clinic. Like, a lot of times, you know, people say they switch the hats. When are you gonna be— I gotta wear my dad hat or my doctor hat or my job hat. It's like, well, wait a second. No, no, you wear all the hats all the time. Like, when I'm with patients, I'm still a dad, you know?

Yeah.

I'm like, you know, I wear all the hats all the time. So it's like, like I said, like, you bring the hero to, to, to the, to the, to the home, to the job. Like, you bring— you create that area to be, uh, you're, you're successful. You bring success to that area. that area doesn't make you successful. Because then we get in trouble, because then you have a mom who raises a bunch of kids, right? And they go to college, and now they're gone. Now her identity is what? Gone, right? So this is where a lot of divorces happen, a lot of strife happens, because she loses— well, I gained— and sometimes, you know, it's 18, 20 years of her life.

Yeah.

Or more, right? And then they're in college, and what do I do? Like, there's a crisis. So when you put your identity into, like you said, something other than you, then there's— you're eventually eventually going to run into a major crisis. Yeah, because things change. Kids leave the house, you switch jobs, you retire, you know, all these— like, you retire. How many people retire and they, like, they die because they lost their identity?

Yeah, they don't have a purpose anymore.

Yeah.

So what does that look like then? I mean, like, how do you— I mean, because I think a lot of people, I mean, like, the only tools in the toolbox are, you know, I'm a dentist, or I'm, you know, a contractor, or I'm— I mean, that's the way that we frame that language. So how do you then begin to shift and go—

I mean, like, how do you How do you even just—

I guess maybe what I'm asking is like how do you characterize your identity now?

Well, it's actually going back to a kid. You got kids?

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

How old?

11, 6, and 4.

How about you?

I've got 2, 7 and 5.

Beautiful. Perfect. I got 7 and 13. So when they're young, when your kids were like 5, let's think of all the characteristic traits they had. They were playful. They want to play when? All the time.

Yeah.

They were loving. They were confident. They had pride. They had ego. I'll tell you why, because when we would draw something, I remember my son draw— it looked like a squiggly line, and that was evidently a tornado. And, uh, we had to hang it on the wall. So they have very proud of what they do. Yeah, they're very mad. They have a lot of imagination. They're playful. They're super creative, right? Just think, they imagine they could play with something for hours. They, uh, they live in what I call vertical time, which is presence. They— we live in horizontal time as, as adults, right? Okay. When do you wanna do it? Now. When can we go to the park? Now. Right. They, uh, they're super forgiving.

Hmm.

They're very, very forgiving. They question authority. They're relentless, right? When they want something, they're relentless, which makes them 100% closers. My kids have closed me 100% of the time. They're amazing closers. And, and, uh, the number one question kids ask is, Why? Why? Yeah, because there— as when we were young, when we're kids, we were always searching for our own truth. And all these characteristics, you know, people pay tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars to go to these seminars to try to get these qualities back, because— but they're forgetting to remember that we were innately given those qualities.

You already had them at one point.

Already had them. And so what happened, you know, what starts— let's face what happens. Like, you could have certain ways of teaching, you have belief systems from parents passed on down, certain dogmas, you know, that happen to happen. And then over time, like, the creativity and all All that stuff gets snuffed, and then you're like, okay. So success. Then then we're taught what success is. You need to go to school. You need to go to college. You need to get this type of job. Yeah. You need to get married. You need to get the white picket. Like all these things. So we check. We become box checker offers. So I was a box checker. I just checked boxes off. Da da da da da. And then I realized when I checked off all the boxes from Lamborghini

in the garage to a paid house, then I find myself. a little depressed, a little numb, a little disengaged, and I don't want to tell anybody about it because someone's gonna say you're nuts, you're blessed, you should be grateful. But I'm like, it's not that I wasn't grateful. It's like there was just— I was grieving my potential. That's what it was. There was something grieving.

You were bored.

We were bored, and we were created to evolve. Yeah, remember, we're creative beings. You know, we came from a creative God. We create. That's what we do. So retirement's not it. Anybody who's listening to this, when you retire, you're gonna be busier than ever because you're gonna be busy creating stuff.

Yeah.

Like, you create. That's all we do. So when we feel we hit a level, no matter how successful it is, and you get bored, that, that's your internal hero, like I call it, saying, listen, time to evolve and create. I gotta create. I gotta— because it's it. And that's where that grieving of the potential comes in. And then a couple things happen. I'll just talk from a male standpoint. I'll see a lot of men go into— they get bored, so they start— then affairs happen. Drugs happen. Um, uh, gambling happens. You know, all this other stuff. Porn. You know, but because they're trying to seek this, this excitement that should only come from creating.

Yeah.

Beautiful things. So they just, they start sabotaging and becoming destructive. Even sabotaging, right? What happens if I sabotage something? If I sabotage and destroyed a building, I have to build it back again. At least it gives me something to do. So it's like we start— guys start doing wacky stuff.

Yeah.

And that's when I started getting into bodybuilding again. Because when I found that, it's like, at least I put that energy into building the body again. So it was— it wasn't drugs, porn, affairs, but it still was— it was still trying to pacify something that wasn't correct, you know. It was me still just looking the other way when I should have said, listen, it's time to evolve and it's time to create some more, even if it means not currently doing what you do.

Yeah.

And then you get scared because what happens is when we checked off the boxes and we have the income coming in, it's like, but if I leave that, I lose this come. But so would I rather stay disengaged and numb and bored and upset or do something that I'm excited about? I know that's exciting. I know you would love to do that, but how are you gonna get paid for it? You know, so you have this— you have like the voices talking to you.

Yeah.

That's that secret identity. It's a less than watered-down version of your truth. It's that— it's like Superman was always Superman. Clark Kent was a shame. You know, it was just like you were robbing people from the truth the whole time. So it's like, you know, this is where people have, you know, they fall like, what do you love to do? So even if it just is a hobby, because I know like when you love to do something, how, like, like a kid, time flies by. You forget to eat. You forget, like, you forget what, like, it's like you're so, it's so fun. You have more energy. Like we have more energy at the end of this podcast than when we started because you enjoy doing it.

Yeah.

So that's why I tell people, first step is do that thing. And even do— even if it doesn't pay anything, do that thing. At least that gives you juice again, you know what I mean? And how do you know? Like I just said, you have more energy. Like, you don't need naps. When people like, I'm so tired— you're not tired. You're so disconnected from your purpose.

Hmm.

It's like, because I mean, we have like— it's— you don't need to sleep, you know? Like, when you do something you love to do, you're full of energy, excited, you're happy, you feel grateful, you're blessed, you're present. So it's like, at least start doing that thing. And then Then figure out— like, when you guys decided to do this podcast 74 episodes ago, it's like you couldn't go in saying, well, what's the money plan? It's like, no, we enjoy doing this. Yeah. And we have fun doing this. And you know what? Maybe at episode 1,000, Ace Hardware is like, I want you guys to be our spokespeople. It's just going to come. It's unplanned. Don't worry about the how.

Ace, if you're listening and want to get in on this early, I'm just saying, I swear, if that happens, dude, you need to replay this.

Then I'm a prophet.

That's right.

I'm prophetic. So, but you know what I mean? It's like these things happen. It's called like the unknowns. The unknowns. So we're afraid of the unknowns because we were raised in, uh, the unknowns is the most guaranteed thing ever, right? There's always going to be an unknown. But we were raised to be so certain that we don't do anything that we don't know. But in the unknowns, thinking back, like, that's where all the nutrients for your new life and progress are. Um, just think like how we're all sitting here today. Like, if we look back, we could see, oh, that's how it happened. My parents went to see— like, you know, this whole thing.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Like, but we didn't plan that. So usually, like, so when we realize the greatest things in our lives were always the unknown looking back. So, but we're in a— live in a society where everything has to be so certain and sure, and we're so afraid of taking risk. Like, well, all the nutrients, the gold, the genius is in the risk.

Yeah.

And then you shoot, and then you course correct. Like that. Like so, so it's like you got to go after it. Well, what if I? Well, don't don't worry about that. You'll figure it out. You're not gonna die. What's the worst thing that can happen? Like you're gonna learn, right? You're gonna learn something. You're gonna course correct. It's like that fire aim ready type of deal. Mm-hmm. And that's and that's where it's at. But it's it's so tough, especially I'm thinking now. Like I sweat thinking about it. It's like, but I'm so certain of my current Groundhog Day routine. It's very certain. It's very comfortable. Yeah. You know, I wake up. I do this. It's da da da da da. Mm-hmm.

But it's like in the unknown, like us sitting.

here today, us taking a trip somewhere. That's where all the unknowns are at. You just don't know what happens. Who do you meet? What opportunity happens? It's this beautiful, serendipitous ride that happens that you wind up seeing people with the most happiness. They can look back and tell you these beautiful stories, only in hindsight seeing how it was perfect.

I think that's actually one of the dangers of looking back at people who have been successful. I just got done reading Walt Disney's biography, which is an incredible biography.

Sure.

That guy's trail was just fraught with disaster and failure and just misery the whole way. The whole way. But you can look at it and go, oh, that's the path that got to the billions. That's the path that got to the empire. So rather than paying attention to all of the things that sucked in his life, you sort of look at the endgame and go, OK, he got Disney World. But like you didn't— you're then like disassociating all of that pain and growth that had to happen in between the vision and the result, right? And so like— and so you sort of get this weird self-narration that tells you like, oh, I don't have to go through that. I don't have to grow. I don't have to experience all that kind of stuff.

Or I could effort my way through that.

Yeah.

I'll just bulldoze through that. You know, but that's a perfect example. So one thing is like, well, how did he get through all that? You always hear the Colonel say Sanders story, right?

Oh, yeah.

Because they had a vision, man. That's one of those things, that's one of your last questions that you've given me. It's like, what's some of the greatest advice I've been given? We'll save that to the end.

Alright. Here's one of the things that I hear, and I believe this to be true. You look at Walt Disney, for example, using that. We talk about Disney a lot, by the way, because we love him. Disney's passion trumped expectations. He— his passion trumped everyone else's expectation of him. He said, listen, I'm gonna do this whether you like it or not. And at the end of the day, whether you like it or not is not— doesn't matter to me. I'm gonna create what I want to create, how I want to create it, unapologetically. And I think it's gonna be great, but even if you don't, it's gonna bring me fulfillment. And so I think the opposite of that is

what many people actually live into, and that is that their expectations trump their passion. So other people's expectations on you, like, you have to be a dad, Craig, so you can't go do this, or you can't go do that, like, you have to do this first. Or my job requires me to travel, and so I can't be there for my family the way they really need me to. Or, you know, I can't do this, or I can't do that because someone has this expectation on me, and it trumps their passion. And eventually it debilitates them to the point point where they don't even know what their passion is anymore. And so I guess the thing that, that I hear you say more than anything that I know I would believe in, and

I'm gonna speak for Craig too because I know him well enough to know that he believes this too, don't give up on your passion just because someone expects you to. Like, find your passion, live into your passion. But the problem is, and I want you to speak into this because Because there's probably a lot of people sitting here, you know, listening to our podcast right now going, man, this is a homeowner show. What are we talking about here? But I, but I think that this is such an important piece of home. So, so let's think about home differently than just a physical building, which, by the way, it is. And, and a lot of times we have physical buildings that

house the things that are most precious to us. And so Anytime that we get to a point where we're completely discontent with life, completely— we've obliterated that thing that we grew up as a 5-year-old thinking, I'm going to be a fireman and I'm going to rescue people and I'm going to be a hero. We get to the point where it's like, well, but somehow I'm an accountant. Not that there's anything wrong with being an accountant, but it's so far from being a firefighter. Somehow someone told me I needed to go to college and I needed to make money. In order to do that, I've got to go this route. And you get back to it, you're like, I never really did with my life what I wanted to. And so, one of the things I

want you to speak into is how do we make our home a place that isn't the place that we dread going back to because it's riddled with failures? How do we get to a point— because you've mentioned something to us at the beginning of the show before we started. That was brilliant. And it's an expectation thing going back to let's let our expectations drive our passion rather than expectations hinder our passion. So what would you say that we could do in our home to, to help feed some of this in a positive way?

Well, this is great because I think a lot of those feelings we have, whether it be like depression is the opposite of expression. depression. So if you're listening, if you feel depressed, you just please ask yourself, what am I failing to express? Because you're being— you're like you're saying, you're being held down by some type of expectation.

Hmm.

Well, what am I failing to express? Well, I always want to do this. It might be that. Or, or you say, well, I don't know what I want to do. And I'll tell you why, because you never took the time to court the most important relationship, which was you. Many people, because we've been told— we, we're living subordinated values of other people. My mom and dad wanted me to do this. So when it comes time to who am I and what did I really want to do, and you could be in your 30s and 40s going, I never, I never, I never built a relationship with myself because I've been trying to live out everybody

else's expectation. And so one thing, and this is a tactical thing, um, you could do this at work but definitely at home. I think it's important. You ever hear people have like vision boards?

Yeah.

You know, they put, oh, you know, they put the car on it and the house they want, like, but what is a vision board? It's actually something, and it's pictures or ideas that excite you.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, this is almost like a kid. Oh yeah, I wanted that sports car. I wanted to go to this Greece or whatever, something like that. So you make this board, but I take it a step further. It's like, why don't you make a room in your home a vision room? And when you walk in that room, there's music, there's smells, all the senses that just make you like a kid again, you know? Like in mine, there's a bunch of Rocky pictures, there's some Arnold Schwarzenegger stuff. I got my trophies that I won that reminds me, hey, I'm a a winner, you know, because some days you don't feel like a winner, right? Yeah. You know, I got my dad's— my dad's aftershave, man, and, uh, dude, I

smell that thing and he comes back to life, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, just all the senses in there. So it's like everything in that room— got Iron Man, you know, the Iron Man— like everything in that room, wherever I look, it's inspiring and you get excited, right?

Yeah.

So it's like, it's not a man cave, it's a vision room. And what it does is when you're See, when you're, when you're feeling dull and depressed and tired, you're at the— you're at no level of creativity. Like, you're just like, you're done, right? But when you're in that atmosphere and that, that's the music you like, and like, you, you get to at least dream or have a vision again. And that goes back to Walt Disney. He had the vision, and no matter what people say, he's like, but this is my vision. No matter how mean we want to say Steve Jobs was, he literally was like, I thought of it, you guys get it. Like, yeah, I mean, but he forced him, right? But it was always the vision.

Yeah.

No matter what the circumstance, it was just, this is my vision. Sylvester Stallone, right? He lived in a bus station for a little bit. They're like, why don't you get a job? And he said this, if I get a job, then I'll probably— I won't be as hungry to get what I really want done. Yeah, he was— he refused to get the job because if he got the job, he would have been sidetracked by the J-O-B to get the check than his vision. And you can see how that turned out. It turned out pretty good.

But, uh, didn't he like— he like sold his dog? Sold his dog. I mean, like, crazy.

And he got— they offered to do Rocky, but they didn't want him. He's like, no, no, I'm the actor.

Yeah, yeah, it's got to be me.

I mean, uh, cojones, right? I mean, she's— but you know what that all spells? No, this is the— the— like a kid, no, no, this is the way that my dream was. No, what you're saying is that, like— and they stuck to the dream. So when you have this vision room, and it's a room where everybody— if you have bowls of fruit on your wall, take them down, you know, no decoratives. Just— there should be nothing on your wall that's just for decorative. Have it have meaning. You know, put the picture of the family. Ah, that's my kids. That might be your why, right? Uh, your, your, your family. Just whatever, whatever inspires you and that brings your energy up and brings you

your, your happiness and creativity back again. Like, in your house, everywhere, there should be something that sparks that vision back again, or at least gets you into the mode where you could start dreaming again.

Mm-hmm.

You got to start dreaming. Imagination. Um, Napoleon Hill and so many other people used to say imagination is the strongest, one of the strongest faculties of the mind we have. Because think about it, holy cow, everything in this room right here was imagined first. It was in someone's head and then they made the microphone. Like, so it all starts in the imagination.

Yeah.

This whole thing, everything outside, like pretty much all this here, like you're— this is what we're gonna do, it starts here, you make the plans and then you do it. So imagination is one of the greatest faculties of the mind. And think about who has the greatest imagination— kids. We did. We did. We did. But all these expectations put upon us, it strangles our imagination.

Wow. Yeah. Is that, is that from his, uh, Think and Grow Rich book?

Yeah. And then he has another one called The Laws of Success and 16 Lessons. It's 600 pages and it really goes— it's like, it's like Think and Grow Rich but goes super in depth.

Okay. Do you like that one better?

Oh yeah, it's 600 pages.

It's deep.

Okay. You read that book I'm going, if this was a class in school, it talks about masterminding. That's what we're doing now. Masterminding is like you bring to the table your ideas, your ideas, my ideas, and this 4th mind happens. We come up with something unique and different we never would on our own and boom! So many— you look back, so many— I remember it was Henry Ford, Firestone, and Carnegie. So you had steel, rubber tires, and Henry Ford. So they came together as buddies and look.

Let's make some money. It's worked out pretty well for them.

But, but for them it wasn't, let's make some money, right? Yeah, that— so that's the thing. Like, I think the vision doesn't— like, every billionaire— well, I don't know if every— but like a lot of— like the Walt Disney billion didn't come from, I'm gonna do this, we're gonna make a mask, we'll make billions. No, it's like the vision, and then just the money just came in as a side effect of value. Yeah, but again, experiences—

One of my favorite Henry Ford's, uh, stories is when someone asked him if they could have a different color? He could say, yeah, you can have any color you want, as long as it's black. That's because part of his vision was, I want everyone to be able to afford one of these and keep them and have that at their home, so they have access to this. I'm not building them for the rich. I'm building them for people. I want people to have these. That was his thing. That was a way for him to keep costs down. It's like, all of them are going to be black.

It was almost a catalyzing statement. Kennedy had that. He says, at the end of the decade, we're going to send a man to the moon and bring him back safely. It was like— everyone's like, that's impossible. But what happens, all the scientists came together and rallied behind that catalyzing statement, right? Sure enough, we did. Or for some people, we didn't. I mean, that's another podcast, you know. But let's say— but, uh, historically we did.

We have to start that conspiracy theory podcast again.

Yeah, we've already got an idea of what it's going to be.

All right, so here in a second, I want to I want to circle back around to that secret identity thing, but before we do that, we need to give a shout-out to our new show sponsor, Paul the Plumber. Kev, you got some details on Paul the Plumber over there?

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Do you want me to continue to purchase your product?

Yeah, they were like, well, I'm sorry, we can't help you with that problem. And I was like, I don't know what to do. And I had to ask around, and finally someone said you got to call a plumber. I'm like, what? I thought they did like water stuff. And they said, well, they— yeah, obviously, but they also— it's piping. Yeah, piping. So, uh, you know, not just water guys. If you need, if you need, uh, gas like Jared did, yeah, he'll take care of you.

Absolutely. Chris, uh, one of the, the videos that I watched with you, and I realize this is probably difficult to recall because you probably have like hundreds of these videos up now, don't you?

I'll remember it.

You'll remember it? I heard you talking about— and I think this may have been the season finale or something that I was watching— but you were talking about the whole process of getting your talk, your hero talk ready. You had to get it down to 40 minutes, and then you had to get it down to 3 minutes. I think one of the times you were going up to speak to a group, you said you were saying to yourself, thank you, secret identity, for protecting me all this time. Yeah. I did that. Tell us a little bit about that. I thought that was a really interesting concept that you had.

Well, it's like when you talk about— when I was talking about this whole secret identity thing, which is basically secret identity is kind of the lives we're living that's not our ultimate version. It's not like we're living this like creative evolving thing, you know. It's like, I'm at the job, you know. So it's kind of like we're not doing exactly what we want to do. And I was talking about it, but then I realized one day it's not all that bad. Like the belief systems I had, all those things, the fears I had, you know, what was it? It was, it was that part of me that was trying to protect me.

Hmm.

loving, right? You know, like a parent who overprotects their kids. Like, wait a second, so the secret identity is not evil. You know, it was— I put it there to protect me.

Yeah.

And so I realized that sometimes we just got to say the fear of moving forward or that— or, or going, you know, getting over a tragedy, you know, you got to be like, you know what, dear secret identity, you know, thank you for protecting me all these years. I don't need you anymore. You know, it's just like, I don't, I don't need you to protect— I'm a big boy now. You know, like, I, I grown up. Like, you've been there and you really tried to protect me. You were loving and dear to protect me, but almost like in a parent's— only thing they know is to protect you, and sometimes they overprotect you where they keep you from actually growing and evolving.

Yeah.

Like my mom would want to keep me at home even at 43 if she could, right? So it's like, no, like the intention was good, but it's, it's getting to the point where I gotta fly. And I— and it's almost like you're telling yourself, listen, these fears, these belief systems, you know, thank you. Like you're loving it away. Like some people try to force it away, crush it away.

Yeah.

Denounce it away. It's like, how about it. And I think when you love that part of you, then it goes, it goes, it, it gently goes, because you love, you love it away. Hey, listen, thank you so much for that time I went through. Or how about this? I went through a tough time, and I appreciate and love myself for that. And I know I guarded, I know I'm scared, I know I didn't trust people, but I don't, I don't need that anymore. I'm okay.

Yeah.

You know, and then so you're loving it out, you're forgiving You're forgiving yourself out.

So if you, if you don't do that, then you're, you're sort of attacking it and, and being aggressive, and it's, it's probably going to be aggressive. It's going to respond in kind almost, you know.

It's like you're hitting yourself with a hammer.

Yeah.

Like, do you want to hit yourself with a hammer or just love yourself? And, you know, like, we use that word love, and let me explain what love is because, man, that's a, that's a tough word to use because everybody has a different representation. There's baggage that comes with that. When I say love, I mean unconditional appreciation. appreciation. Like, hey, what I went through was horrible, but I, I have unconditional appreciation for that. Like, like, I appreciate— I have— if I have unconditional appreciation for you guys, it means no matter what you brought in this room, I unconditionally appreciate you guys. Because I don't think any of us, no matter how great our parents were, were raised in unconditional love. There was always conditions.

Yeah.

There was always conditions. So none of us really could— and it's tough even when you talk about your creator, this unconditional love. Like, we don't know what unconditional unconditional love is, right? You know, so I just think of unconditional appreciation. It's like, I appreciate you despite whatever you did in your life and brought into this room right now. Like, you know, it's like— it's— and the reason why I say appreciation over gratefulness is sometimes when we're thankful, we're thankful because we're comparing. Well, I'm glad we— I'm glad we're here because there's some people that don't have a roof over their head.

Yeah.

You know, like, like, we're thankful we don't live in Haiti. I was watching, like, Haiti. I watched the scene on Haiti where dirt pancakes. They take dirt, they throw salt or whatever in it, mix it with water, and eat it because they say it gives us some substance when we don't have food.

Oh, it puts something in the belly. Yeah.

So we could say, thank you, Lord, for this food because we're not— we're not— we don't live in Haiti. See, we're comparing versus appreciation means that kid who lives in Haiti who's happy and has joy. Like, they're appreciative no matter if they're eating dirt pancakes. Like, that's big. It's like, well, like, appreciation is even if things aren't perfect, I'm appreciating that I have family and I'm, I'm happy, I'm having fun. You know, like, that's like, that's the difference between thankfulness. Because I think when you're grateful, it always has that comparison. Well, you know, some people, they don't have arms, you know. It's like, you know, like, I'm glad for my— like, we could be grateful, but it's like,

how about what's even more impressive is that person without the arms, the person who lives in Haiti, let's say, and they're happy. Yeah. Like, wow, they appreciate it.

What do you do with that?

Yeah, dude, right? So that's what I mean by, by love, unconditional appreciation.

I don't know. I really thought that was one of the more powerful moments in that particular video.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was really, really good. So what are some other ways that— when I first thought about you coming on the show, one of the ways I thought about framing this question after looking at your content was like, how can the home be an ally rather than an adversary? So what are the things that we can do to— because we talked about having a vision room, but what are some of the other ways that we set ourselves up almost for failure in the home? And how can we sort of navigate and avoid and plan better?

Well, I mean, I think you're right. In the home, it's like when you're there— let's just think tactical stuff. It's like on the side of health. know, you get what you pay for, number one, right? So you take, you take shortcuts. Any— I guarantee anybody listening to this right now, every time you took that shortcut, it's way more expensive at the end, especially with house stuff. I got a— I got— instead of putting the big pool in where they put the— blow the concrete, I put a little fi— I said I'll put the fiberglass one, dude. Not only do we have to rip that thing out, but then put like— so every time I shortcut it, like one of the, one of the questions, what project did you walk away from?

Yeah.

I had paver bricks around the pool and moss was coming up, so I, you know, I hired these guys to sealant, right? They— they— I didn't give up. They left. They went back. They just disappeared. And I have like— it was like— because it was like, hey, walk away. And I couldn't— I was like, $10,000, I couldn't get my money back. So it's like, every time I shortcut when it came to the house, every time I shortcutted or tried to take the cheaper one, didn't get the, you know, didn't get Paul the plumber. Like, every time, every time I shortcutted.

Yeah.

And didn't bring the expert in that was just a little bit bit more, it cost me double to triple. So it's like, in your house, you want— you know, it'll drive you insane. Get the expert. Get someone who has a good reputation, who's expert, and pay the price, because that little bit of extra is going to save you so much. So, you know, I got a good home water filtration system. I think water is like so important.

OK.

Cleanliness of water. So like, that's the health of me and my family. You know, I, you know, I just, uh, with the AC units, I made sure I had like UV, UV light to kind of like That purifies the air. Purifies the air. I got even a really strong HEPA filter because we're breathing that stuff. I just made sure some of those things like water that you bathe in and the air you breathe, that's 2 top things.

What kind of water filtration system do you use then?

It was one that went directly into the main water line. It had like 7 containers. So the shower, the toilet bowl, anytime you bathe, it was there. It wasn't just a point of service. It's actually good. Just seek around and get the I think a lot of people just get them and put them underneath the kitchen sink. Yeah, but you shower. There could be chlorine in there. These are the things. These are the blind spots. If you're soaking in chlorine, all this stuff— fluoride, all these other things— could lead to major health problems. What I loved about it, even when I'm renting a townhome now, I got that guy to install that home water thing. No

matter where I am, I want clean water. want to be able to, from the tap to the shower, to have clean water, uh, the AC, the air you breathe. But I'm telling you guys, anytime you do something in your house, um, just hire someone. Pay the extra money. Because I've always not had—

they—

because I used to have— I would have to bring in the one who was the expert, and they had to like retrofit and rip stuff out and put it back in. So you talk about havoc in your house is, is gonna, you know, just taking the cheap route out.

Yeah.

What's your house? Your house is your home. Just like our body. Like, let's— here's a— like, our, our bodies The body is the house of our spirit and our soul. Well, your house is kind of like the same thing. So treat it that way. Put the best materials in there. Do the best you can. Don't shortcut stuff because I found that to be the biggest headache and argument and waste of money in my life. So it's an investment. Always look at it as an investment.

In yourself.

Oh, yeah. It's the same thing. I mean, your house is equity, man. That's another thing. Debt is owing money to someone. There's no debt in your house. It's equity.

Yeah, like there's no debt.

I don't know, I got a house debt. No, you don't have house debt. When that mortgage is paid off, you got a home. There's no school debt. No, when you pay off that student loan, you got an education. That— yeah, so it's like people admit, like, they, they misunderstand debt. Like, anything in your house is equity. Yeah, it's value. I mean, and then the fact that you get to use it and you enjoy a family in it and your, and your family loves it and they're safe. Like, you're talking about the, the sagging beams over there. It's like, there's nice that it's safe now? Yes, it's like this stuff— too many, too many bad haircuts in houses. What was the thing in Houston? The whole— didn't that

propane thing blow up? That factory?

Oh, that was the one that happened recently. Yeah.

So you know what it was? Freaking wire was a little off. Mm-hmm. And then it sparked, bye-bye. Because, you know, it was a warehouse and they put all this stuff, you know, like this, like that. Boom. Yeah, people died.

Yeah, that was, that was an insane— shortcuts. I mean, like, because the internet blew up that point, at least around here. It's like, did you feel the city shake.

Shortcuts. Yeah. They— and when they did the investigation, it came down to shortcut. Yeah, a little, a little shortcut here. And no, no, no, don't worry about it. No one's— there it is.

Yeah, yeah. And I think that I can actually create a situation where like you end up being frustrated with yourself, you know, because like I knew that it was the cheap route, I chose the cheap route, and now I'm having to deal with the consequences of that. Now I'm having to deal with all the, you know, the aftermath of that decision of the pool being a lesser-grade material or whatever it is. I still remember one of the first fights my wife and I had was over a washer and dryer. We didn't have a lot of money, but I'd always wanted to operate under, let's buy the best we could afford.

Mm-hmm.

We just went back and forth on it for a long time. I think it was like 6 or 7 years later when we still had that washer and dryer, And she was like, thank you for getting the nice washer and dryer.

And then you could pull from others. I think it's right. Invest in— say, if it comes to you, your body, your house, you don't shortcut. But you know what? You say, well, I don't have the money. Well, you know what? Don't eat out as much. Don't go drinking. Little stuff like that you could really pull from. That's hundreds of dollars. Invest it. And like you said, it's so worth it. 6 years later, you're proud of it. You're like, yeah, yeah, see? We did good. And that was worth every penny.

Which was a rare moment where That's where I was right, by the way. That's my one win.

It's because you're like, listen, we're going over value over price. When you shop for price, that's the problem. But I think you're right. You could find a good price with a valuable product. That's where it takes the research. But no matter how much research you do, you just have to wind up making a decision eventually.

I think you're right. There are so many products that you put in your house. Whether it's an appliance or, or just a plumber coming in, or it's a, you know, a toilet or whatever it is, think about how that's gonna last. In fact, I had a friend call me just the other day and said, hey, foot surgery, I can't go over to one of my rental homes and put a new kitchen faucet in, but the last renter must have broken it. Can— would you mind going over there and fixing it? I said, sure. And said, well, by the way, we also need you to go pick one out, like if you just go get one. And I said,

okay, fine. Um, and this person said, I don't want this, this, or this. And I said, okay, well, let me just go see what's available. So one of the ones that they said they don't— they didn't want was a Moen brand.

Yeah.

And I said, okay, why do you want them? Well, someone told me that they have plastic parts, Well, that's what, that's what broke. And I don't want plastic parts again. I want all good solid parts. And so I called her back after I had found the one that I thought she should get was a Moen. And I said, one of the things you need to know is they've got a lifetime warranty on all of their parts. So if anything ever breaks, they'll replace it for free. And she said, oh, um, I think I want a Moen, you know?

Yeah.

And it's like, you know, you get, you get what you pay But, but I mean, sometimes what someone told you isn't accurate. Do your research, find out for yourself, take the time. And, and at the end of the day, you're gonna be happier with the product you buy anyway. I mean, a lot of times the more expensive product's a little bit better and you like it a little bit more even though it was more expensive. And, you know, expense doesn't always equate to better, but you get what you pay for, right? For sure.

Yeah. Well, Chris, we've kind of— we went all the way back to the bodybuilding, we went through chiropractic school, and then— and now the Hero Project. I don't— I don't want to get through the whole show without getting to talk about your latest venture that you've got going on now with the stem cell stuff, which is just super intriguing to me. I mean, like, you're— you know, I'm kind of dumb and don't understand medical stuff, but you were explaining it to me a little bit. Could Could you explain to everybody what it is that you're working on now?

Well, my other company is called Renew Life Rejuvenation and it started with my 80-year-old mom. The day of 9/11, she got in a fender bender. It was just a fender bender, but I saw her one right knee absolutely disable her over the next couple years. I mean, it went from over-the-counter medication, she couldn't sleep, then more harder medication, then the knee scope, then steroid shots, nothing's working. So at 80, they're like, listen, no more steroid shots.

Yeah.

And it's like, but then also like, at your age though, we don't know if knee replacement is an option. And we have this other thing called pain management for life. So that's the opioids. And that's right.

That's when you get hooked on the bad stuff.

My mom's a drug addict in her 80s, right? So, um, so I heard about these stem cells. And even with my chiropractic patients, you know, I could help your spine, but it's like, people have— how about my shoulder? How about my elbow? My knees don't hurt. My hips, I need a hip replacement. My feet are neuropathy, you know, like when the nerves of the feet die. It's like, I felt a little impotent because I couldn't help someone who had late-stage degeneration. It was gone. Like, I could help you preserve and get better, but like, man, like, when that tissue's gone, it's gone.

Yeah.

And so with the research with stem cells, now we're able to orthopedically, in those joint areas, you know, shoulders, elbows, hips, knees, especially neuropathy, even spine degeneration, you could place these young, powerful stem cells. And what is a stem cell? It's like your internal healing mechanism. It's— they replicate themselves and they differentiate into different tissues. So if it's in the knee and you got no cartilage, cartilage in the knee. You put it in there, it mimics, and it literally regenerates the knee tissue. It, it multiplies cartilage. And so when you put that new tissue in there, it's like putting a new brake pad in, you know?

Right.

It's like that tissue is there, and when someone's in their 50s, 60s, and 70s and you restore the cartilage, you restore the joint to the way it was when they were 20, by the time that thing wears itself out, they'll be long gone. So now it's amazing to see people avoid shoulder surgeries and knee surgeries and, and get off, get off drugs. And neuropathy was crazy because neuropathy The medicine, it just gives you drugs that numb your brain and wait till they got to cut off your legs, you know, cut off your ankles. So just to see people heal and get off those drugs and walk normal again— and my mom's gonna be 82 and she walks 3 miles a day. I mean—

So she never had the knee replacement?

No. Yeah, in 12 months she's, you know, she's walking 3 miles a day, walking up and down, like great.

That's awesome.

She'll never— she'll never need the knee replacement. And here it is, just like it's totally— it's changing people's lives because as you age, when you lose your balance, when you lose your mobility, you lose your freedom. And so many people, right, it's again, it's that secret, hey, work your butt off, guys, and someday there's this promised land of retirement. You're gonna get to do all those things, the trip, the—

Yeah.

All that, just work. And then so many people, they— their bodies break down before they get there, and they spend the rest of their, their retired life trying to pay to get their health back, but it's too late. And so now, um, in fact, today an article came out, they literally created a beating heart with stem cells. So this stuff, the Mayo Clinic is doing amazing stuff. A lot of celebrities and athletes used to— were getting this for a while, but now it's more affordable in the States. So it's just amazing. I mean, how— it's awesome. And I got it done on my shoulder and my lower back as well, and it's great.

So, and this is a service you guys are now offering?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's fantastic.

I'm the educator. The actual medical— the doctors rehab actually do the procedure, right? Yeah, so I educate.

That's awesome.

And why do I do it? Like we said again, because I have an experience with it.

Yeah, because your mom—

It's my mom. I was trying to vindicate her so much to get her life She was going, this is— because I was saying, this is it, this is it. Like, you know, you're like, this is it, this is how it's gonna be. This is the— because everybody kind of goes downhill. I'm like, oh, this is the downhill. I'm watching it happen. Yeah. And so to see her rocking and rolling and becoming autonomous again and living life on her terms, it's super, super amazing.

And so has she gone back to see the doctors that were telling her to get the knee surgery and all that kind of stuff?

Oh yeah, they love it. The doctors didn't want to. Good orthopedic surgeons like, listen, you're 80, we don't know if you're gonna get through that surgery. Yeah. See, orthopedic surgeons have issues if you're too young. They're like, listen, dude, if we do your hip or knee, you're gonna need like another one later on, right? And then if you're too old, they're like, you're too old for this stuff, we don't know if you'll make it through there. So this became a beautiful thing in the middle to help spare that person. Or let's say that 40-year-old person, like, they could keep from getting it, you know? It just— it really gave them a really wonderful product in between.

Yeah.

To help people. Because a really, really good orthopedic surgeon, like, they know we're not giving you steroid shots because it eats away the joint, it destroys destroys the destroys the tissue, and so they you know they they have a wonderful other tool now.

Man, I wish that would have repaired ACLs because if like stem cells could like reconnect an ACL, that would have been awesome about a year and a half ago.

If they're flapping over here and got to be tied, it doesn't, but they will heal. But if the ACL is slightly torn, yeah, it could heal that. But like if they're oh mine was flapping. Yeah, they got to tell us. It's not it's not that intelligent. You know, they don't they don't.

Have you ever— you ever heard of Mikhaila Peterson? It's Jordan Peterson's daughter.

I heard of Jordan Peterson.

So do you know about the carnivore diet and all that kind of stuff that he does?

Absolutely, yeah.

So he got all that from his daughter because she was— she was doing elimination diets because she was having so much neuropathy in her hip and in her feet. And part of his— part of the story— have you read his book?

Yes.

Yeah, so you've heard the story about her hip and her— all that kind of stuff. So you're absolutely right. I mean, because she had that hip replacement and the ankle replacement, I think when she was like 13. And she just had to have it done again, the ankle. Her diet stuff has really helped with all of the neuropathy, but because she had it so young, that ankle replacement, it didn't sit well now that she's well into her 20s and she had to have it done again. So you're absolutely right. Those orthopedics are looking at her and going like, look, you're so young.

Yeah, everybody likes to point the finger at the medical doctor. And I used to, as well. But then I realized it's like, they're like, hey, I'm in an insurance-driven healthcare system. I'm limited.

Right.

I could— I'm— I, I only could give you drugs, surgery, and rehab. Like, I am limited. I want to help people, but I'm limited by the system.

Yeah.

You know, so, so it's really wonderful with these ways. Again, it's having the body heal itself. You know, the brain tells those little helper cells what needs to be done. So it's, uh, it's, it's wonderful. And I've, you know, but you look at your iPhone now, it's like, look what What happened in a decade with an iPhone? You mean you can't advance better in human growth?

Right.

It's really a wonderful thing. I'm so pleased with it.

That's awesome. Kev, you got anything else, man?

Well, no. I think we've covered a lot. I appreciate you coming in and sharing a lot of what I believe is wisdom, a lot A lot of, uh, stuff for, for our listeners to, to consider and to think for sure. So, um, and, and now what we've got is the final 3. The final 3? Well, didn't he like give up one of them already?

I didn't give up, I alluded to.

Alluded to the final 4. The final 4.

We're back, folks. We are back. Full throttle.

Yes.

I alluded.

That was a close one. I didn't know what we were gonna do. We're gonna have revolting in the streets.

No mutiny.

Yeah, people are gonna be like, cheated out of our 4. Exactly. Like, they're gonna, they're gonna go— this is gonna be the thing that they're, you know, their passion is dropping now because they're like, what am I supposed to do?

Kevin, it's, it's all right. We'll offer a full refund.

Ace Hardware almost took the, the thing off the table.

Yeah, like, uh, this is a close one.

They gave us 3.

All right, so, so we're gonna Here we go, Final Four. First question is this: what is the must-have tool you won't leave your house without?

It's my phone. It really is a tool now. With those apps, it's crazy. I can measure stuff. I took a picture of something and it measured it. It's insane.

See? I'm not the only one, Kev, that loves that Measure app.

I love that thing! It's awesome!

No matter what angle—

It's crazy, isn't it?

Yeah, it's alien technology.

Its accuracy is insane.

That's what's really unbelievable about that thing.

No, you're right. And, and it's no secret, all of our listeners know the number one tool on the Homeowner Show of people that we asked this question to is phone.

Because if I need to do something, I go to YouTube University.

Yeah, exactly. That's right. So there— so I'll tell you, I'll tell you a recent story, Craig's interaction with the Measure app. So I had a customer recently that had a honeybee infestation up in the top of there. It was a 2-story home. They had up in the top. And they said, how high do you think that is? I said, hang on one second. And I measured it and I took the picture and I showed it. It's 20 feet.

That's awesome. No, that's awesome. That's much better than what my, my good friend from college and I used to do, uh, where people— we would, we would do really stupid things, you know, because we're in college. And we'd get up in like in line behind people at the cafeteria or something Mm-hmm. And we'd be like, we'd say something like, how many things do you think are on that buffet over there? And the other one would be like, I think about 4 miles. 4 miles? Yeah. Are you sure 4 miles? I thought it'd be more like 3 miles. And people are looking at us like, what are you talking about? And we would do this all the time. So people would say, how high do you think it is from here to the

top of that building? like, maybe about 4 gallons. We would say this stuff over and over, and people would just think we're idiots. And we were. Um, so that's the end of that story. All right, but it's, it's much better to actually use the Measure app.

Yeah, absolutely, every time.

Yeah, so, uh, my, my friend and I don't do that anymore.

Good.

Wait, yeah, I don't know why we should.

You should have a little reunion.

I, I have a feeling it's coming back.

That's right, people, people We're gonna start doing this. It's gonna be the thing.

I think—

Probably not. No, no, it's not gonna happen. All right, number 2. Um, so, so you mentioned a job that someone walked away from your house on. Yeah, that, that's where I was kind of actually getting confused earlier. So what is a job that you've walked away from?

It was the same one. It was the paper thing. Because then I said, screw this, I'm not doing it. I'll let the moss grow in between the pavers.

All natural, baby.

Yeah. So, so like, so, so what happened was you hired someone, they walked away.

To seal it. They were gonna put this— it's like the stuff you do on there, you just kind of sweep it and it seals it and the sand in between it. And so it kind of creates that barrier. And, uh, yeah, they just—

They left.

They disappeared.

That's crazy. They didn't finish it. Wow.

I couldn't find them.

That's no good. No good at all.

And you'd already paid them?

Oh yeah, man. I know. I learned.

So, so what did you do at that point? Did you call someone else, I guess, and say, hey, he said he left it.

No, I tried to get my money back because I'm like, you didn't— he's like, well, you know, they don't do this anymore. They, they kind of split up and they owe me money. It was like everybody owed everybody money. Yeah. Okay, we're gonna put a lien on your house because the one guy do— the guy says, well, I did my work, so I'll just put a lien on here. I'm like, it became that type of— and I'm thinking, if I just would have spent a little bit more, a little bit more, none of this problem would have been there.

Yeah.

So anyways, okay, well, let's move on. Yes, just like you had to from the pool. 3rd question, how do you wind down at the end of a long day?

Um, I read a book. I'll come home, I'll— and I'll sit down and read. And that is just really the best way to do it because then it kind of shifts my mind back to that like personal growth mindset. Because sometimes at the end of the day, um, I'm beating myself up on some things, but I'm also enjoying my wins. So I'm kind of off north. What I call north is like every morning I read a certain thing, like I get— I get centered or north, you know, true north. And that gets me back where I need to be. And, and def— I don't do phone or no, no technology at night. Even though I have those blue blocker glasses on, that stuff, I just don't do tech at night, about an hour before.

Are you reading nonfiction? Fiction?

No, more personal development, like mindset stuff. Something that gives you an aha, like, oh, yeah, that was kind of cool. I'm reading a book right now called Mindset by Carol Dweck. It's about a growth mindset and a fixed mindset. A lot of times, for instance, a perfectionist, they really have a fixed mindset because they want to do everything perfectly. So, they shelter themselves from learning new things because when you learn something new, you're not good at it. So then, it's like they don't do it. So, the perfection, they use that. They don't move. They don't grow. They stay fixated. So, just little stuff like that. I'm like, oh. So, the kid that raises their hand even though they'll get the question wrong, to them, they're like, well, if I get

it wrong, I learned.

Yeah, I learned something.

Or someone, they don't want it because they don't want to seem like an idiot. So, it's just really— it helps me even teach my kids a little bit.

Nice. Yeah, check that one out. I'm always looking for a new, new read.

Just like that, you know, I get that one thing and it just gets me thinking on it.

How long do you spend reading when you, when you're doing that?

I'd say 15, 15 or 20 minutes.

Okay.

When, you know, like when you start to feel your mind start to get like, okay.

When you're not gonna get anything from it anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

When you feel tapped.

I gotcha.

All right, last question.

Yes, sir.

All right, what is one of the best pieces of wisdom or advice you've ever received?

Yeah, never lower the target. Hmm, it's another thing I regret every time. And you're— everybody listening, every time you lowered your target or your vision, your expectation that you wanted, you always regret it. Hmm, always regret it. Oh, well, maybe because you wanted it faster, you lowered the target, you compromised sometimes. Oh, what? I could have it now, but it's just a little bit— it's, it's, it's, it's okay. You always regret it. So in my life, the things I've regret are because I lowered the target. I knew what I wanted. I had the vision of it and I lowered the target. I settled for less and I paid for it dearly. Bad. Regret.

Is that something that you gleaned from experience or did you actually hear that from somebody?

Both.

Both?

I gleaned from experience and when I heard someone say that, I was like, oh my God! So I go, that's absolutely correct. It was the greatest word because it's it's like our insecurities cause us to lower the target. Well, maybe I— finances— well, maybe I, I won't make that, so I'll lower the target. Or relationship— maybe I'll, I'll settle for this person because maybe I won't meet that person. Like, the insecurities get involved. And my dad's advice to me, one of the best things, was he was a guy who— he's like, it's the end result that counts. So my dad and my mom be like, hey, that guy's, you know, he's stealing from us. It's the end result that counts. Like, you know, he was always

about end result, no matter like if people screwed him over. Like, he was like, as long as the end result— if I have to work harder than the other person, that's fine. It's always the end result, the finished product that counts. So the end result that counts. But on piggybacking on that, never lower the target. Yeah, even if it means you never hit the target. Yeah, because I think when you lower the target, you feel the regret, and it's like your self-value goes down. Like, you, you settled for something that was less than what you were worth.

Hmm, I love that, because— and this is something that I I've taught for years is people rise to expectation, but the opposite is also true, that they lower themselves to expectation. So, set your expectations higher and you'll achieve them because people rise to expectations. So, it's a similar idea, a little bit different, but, you know, set expectations high and don't be afraid of them.

Yeah, and I hear that too. I was watching I was watching a couple of older guys who were getting interviewed and they're like, ah, I just should have set my goals higher. And these were successful people. They're like, really? Look how good you're doing. No, no, I should have went for bigger goals.

We just sold a bed. You're wondering how is this relevant, Kevin?

It's coming around.

So we just sold a bed. My daughter inherited a new bed. So I put her old bed up on Facebook Marketplace.

Right.

I'm hoping the person that bought it is not listening right now because 2.5 years ago, when we bought this bed, we bought it for $75. I felt like I got an incredible steal at the time. It's a beautiful bed. It came with a mattress, everything. I sold it yesterday for $150.

Mm-hmm.

So I made $25 on this bed that I used for, for 2 and a half years.

That's awesome.

And here's the, here's the crazy thing. I put it up on Thursday, and by yesterday, whenever I sold it, I had over a dozen people asking if it was still available. So what I know is I should have priced it higher, right? I should have priced it higher. I should have priced it for $150. And if I had 2 people come after me and say, is this still available? Then I would have doubled what I— and used it for 2 and a half years. So again, set your target higher and, and maybe you'll get more than what you expected out of yourself, right?

Always, always, always go higher.

Yeah. Yep. All right, well, um, man, you, you answered those questions like a champ. What you didn't know is that there's a secret 5th question. Bring it on.

Thank you.

If people want to get a hold of you, how How do they find you?

Was that my secret question?

That's the secret question.

He's disappointed, man. Yeah, you can follow me at Instagram. It's @DrZaino. So it's— that's D-R-Z-A-I-N-O, Dr. Zaino. And I answer all my DMs and comments.

I can account for that. I always—

I use— that's always me because that's human connection, right? That's what social media is for. And so I always do that. And yeah, just do that. That's the best way to get me and tag me, or you could get to email me at drzaino@drzaino.com. So those are the 2 things.

I'd encourage people to go check out your YouTube channel, too. There's a lot of good content over there as well. A lot of good inspirational stuff.

Yeah, that show We Are Heroes was good, what I did. That was when I was going through my transition of life, not— you know, I'm— let's got to be careful how we use that word transition.

It wasn't a transition.

Just a transition.

Yes. So I hired a videographer to follow me. You know why? Because it held me accountable to going through with it. Because like, well, if it's on, you know, that was like me holding myself accountable because it was easy to just stay the way things were.

Yeah, it turned out great, man. I enjoyed it.

I had fun doing it. Yeah. So yeah, so no, no, here's even better one. No, no, I have a gift for everybody. So, okay, if you go to iamhero.com, so it's iamhero.com, I got a really good masterclass that kind of goes over some of the mindset topics we talked Oh, okay. So that's, that's, uh, that's my gift to you guys, and it's really cool. You'll enjoy it.

Awesome. We'll put that up in the show notes and send it out with the email this week as well. So that'd be fantastic. I know everyone listening will want to check that out.

Absolutely.

So, Kev, you're gonna go take it now, aren't you?

Well, yeah, I'm— he's gonna have to get in line. I'm— I've got like 7 master classes I'm taking right now. So I mean, I'm, I'm—

Kev, just, just set that target higher.

Yeah, 8. 8's a little higher. Expectations. So yeah, so no, That's, that's awesome, man. I'm looking forward to that myself. So one of the things that I think our listeners probably understand is Craig and I feel differently about life than I think some people do. And, and it, you know, your home is a big, it's a big part of your life. But, but more than that, like, your headspace is really, really important.

Mm-hmm.

And, and I think you've spoken into that in a really, really big way. And so, so I appreciate that. I hope our listeners have enjoyed I hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank you for, for coming on and giving us your time. I think it's very valuable, and considering that this podcast costs you nothing, I think you got a lot of wisdom out of this today. So thanks for downloading. Thanks for, you know, subscribing, for supporting us. You know, we would love to continue to get more ratings and reviews. So if you have an opportunity, go leave us a review. We would love that. And like always, man, we're here every single Tuesday. So thank you for supporting us. Until then, we will see you next time.

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