That Time We Talked About Top 3 Kitchen Appliances

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How you doing, man?

I'm blowing and going, man. I never know which end is up these days, honestly.

Well, it sounds to me like you're pretty busy.

I slammed would be the yeah yeah and like weirdly like like just to like carpenter bees, man.

Like really?

Yes, like tons and tons of calls for carpenter bees, and if you've never had carpenter bees. What a fricking nuisance.

They're the worst. They are, but, but how do you get rid of 'em?

I mean, it's, it's kind of a process. Um, and a lot of people are just too lazy to actually do the process. Um, and it just takes time. I mean, like, it's basically you, if, if you've never had them, they're actually, I mean, like, they're an amazing creature because they, I mean, like better than a drill bit. can drill the absolute perfect half-inch hole. I mean, just like symmetrical. It's, it's a gorgeous hole that these guys can drill. But like, if you have any sort— like the one I did today was a giant wooden pergola off the back of someone's house, and they probably had like 60 to 80 carpenter bees just demolishing the thing.

Really?

I mean, just drilling it into sawdust. And they're like, look, we're all in favor of the environment and healthy pollinators. And they're like, but these guys gotta go. And yeah, so I was like, oh yeah, I, I get it. And they were basically having a bee orgy on these people's backyard. It was, it was, it's kind of disturbing at moments. Um, but like, if, if it's like, if it's on your property and it's like an old piece of wood and you don't really care about it, just let 'em be.

I mean, just like, yeah. Yeah.

They're, they're actually good for the environment. They just can be really, really destructive. They're not, they're not as, uh, they're not as big a pollinator. like honeybees or even like bumblebees because they're a solitary bee. Yeah, they're big. Oh, they're really big. Yeah.

Yeah.

And they can— people— go ahead.

No, we had a few in our home in Arkansas whenever we lived there, and they would come and drill into the side of the banister on the back deck.

Yeah.

So they would— I don't know, I don't know why they just liked that area, but it would be in the side. It wouldn't be from the top. It would be—

No, it's always from the side or from the underside.

Okay. And, you know, but I would only get like 1 or 2 that I know. And maybe more than one of them live in there. I don't know. But, um—

There can be more than one living in there, but they're typically a solitary bee. And usually if there's more than one, it's a mating pair. Uh, what you run into, and, and the, the best way I know to describe this to people, cuz I don't actually know the, the biology, I probably need to look into this a little bit more, but the, the way I describe it to people is they have like a genetic GPS system.

Mm-hmm.

And so where you have 1 or 2 carpenter bees one year, the next year could be 4 to 6 carpenter bees, which then the next year could be 10 to 15 carpenter bees.

Yeah.

And it's not because all of a sudden your place has become popular. It's because as they've procreated, and created more bees, their genetic GPS keeps bringing them back to the same place because that place has been favorable for procreation.

Hmm.

Um, and so—

Oh, that sucks.

The one I walked into today, I mean, it was obvious it had been going on for years.

Wow.

Um, and they just, you know, decided to finally deal with it.

It's weird because you— whenever you look at it, you're like, where did that hole come from?

Yeah, because I mean, I mean, it literally looks like somebody drilled it.

Yeah, yeah. And like you said, a half inch, it's big. And, and you never see them do it. I don't know what they're, you know, when they come.

I've watched one do it. It's, I mean, like, it's, it's a pretty slow process. Um, they end up picking the places that they pick because the wood's softer and easier for them to, you know, basically chew through.

Yeah.

So you, I mean, like your, your aged pines, your cedars. Um, things like that.

Okay.

Things that people typically build back decks with.

Yeah, absolutely. That kind of stuff. Yep.

So yeah.

Okay. Well, good.

Well, you, you had some, you had some carpentry work recently done at your house, right?

Yes, I did.

And then in the, in the most rudimentary fashion.

Yeah. Yeah. We had, um, So did we talk about this on an episode recently?

I think we talked about their— the tree being dead.

I don't know. Okay. Yeah, so anyway, we, we had, uh, Samir from Greenscapes come in and, um, and take down the dead tree, trimmed up, uh, 3 fairly large, like 6-inch in diameter limbs that needed to come down that were hanging over the house. Um, he also put some sod down that we had taken out part of a flower bed. And so put some sod down, which it's, it's looking really, really good. So, um, so yeah, we got that all done. And man, I tell you, I need to go back to the office so I stopped working so much.

Like, I mean, careful what you wish for, my friend.

I know. I know, because like, I, I don't know, maybe, maybe this is just me, but I'm kind of— first of all, I'm, I'm a pretty extroverted type of person, but I've found that I've really enjoyed the time being quarantined. Yeah, I've enjoyed the time with my family. I've enjoyed the time just kind of not feeling rushed about anything. I've been relaxed and not stressed out about stuff. Like, it's been, it's been really nice.

I've honestly kind of wondered about folks that are upset and angry about the quarantine, if it's a money business issue or if it's a they don't like their family issue?

It could be either or both, or maybe it's both things.

Compounding issues?

Yeah, and one of the things that I'll tell you, you know, I've been really, really concerned recently, the last few weeks here, about increase in domestic and child abuse that's going on.

Yeah.

just because people are at home. And if you had a propensity towards that, it's gotten worse. But that being said, like for me, it's been really nice to be home. And so recently though, it's just been like, well, I've done the work that I need to do at home because I can get that done fairly quickly every day. I'm spending 2 to 3 hours, maybe more. But still, it's nowhere near an 8-hour workday.

Yeah.

And so I'm helping the kids with school and all those sorts of things. But then it's like, okay, it's 4 o'clock, 3:30, 4 o'clock. I got a couple hours till dinner. Maybe I'll just go outside and do some work. And I wind up working. Like today, I was trimming some bushes and doing some other things that just need to be done, you know, but it was, I think I was talking to you on the phone. It was like 94 degrees and humid outside. So it was pretty crazy. But I, you know, it's been good because I've been getting some projects done. In fact, one of the ones that I've just killed myself over this weekend that we'll get to probably in the next few weeks is I put an

invisible fence in for my dog around my house. And that was a chore.

Yeah.

Let me tell you. But we're gonna get to it because it's pretty amazing. You've got an electric fence at your house for your dogs as well.

Yeah, we had the— I mean, it was— yeah, we put the invisible fence in.

Yeah.

And I can give the pluses and minuses of working with that company for sure.

Okay, yeah, yeah, definitely. We've got— we used a different brand that we used in Extreme— what's it called? Extreme Dog Fence, I believe is the name of it. Uh, but anyway, so I, man, I've just been doing a lot. So I'm kind of glad to— I'm gonna be glad to get back to being out a little bit more. So.

So, well, I mean, from my experience, I haven't been— I just haven't been home that much. My, my wife— I've been having to leave home every morning and go to work, um, you know, gloved and masked and all that kind of stuff. Uh, honestly, just, I mean, it's good, but like, I'm exhausted. And yeah, so my wife has been here, you know, really manning the fort, but I have some things that I do with the kids when I get home. And it's some things that I could— so one of the things that I really wanted to key in on for, um, for our family and, and, and, and really just to kind of like put my money where my mouth is,

because I'm always talking about how, you know, with, with people that I talk to about, you know, improving their business, improving their personal lives, is, you know, you can find this space to do something extra, a little something more, you know, in making your situation and your life a little bit better. And I didn't want to waste a good quarantine with me or with my kids. And so, 2 things that I decided to implement while they're at home is language and music. And so, my 2 oldest kids, And really, this is just for my 2 oldest kids because my 5-year-old just is just not quite there to— I mean, she can do some things and we do those

things. She's just, she can't interact with technology the way that my older 2 can in order to do some of these things when I'm not there. Um, and so we decided like, we're gonna, we're gonna put our nose to the grindstone on learning the piano and French.

Okay.

Um, And so we use Rosetta Stone, and I forget the name of the app that we use for the piano, but it's basically a gamification piano learning system. And I do it with them. Like, it's really cool. Like, my 7-year-old is learning the bass line to We Are the Champions by Queen right now. And like, he's pretty good at it.

Okay.

And so it's really fun. I mean, you use like an iPad and play the piano, and the iPad listens to you play the piano and gives you immediate feedback. All that kind of stuff.

Nice.

But anyway, both of my— so my 2 oldest kids every day have been taking French lessons with Rosetta Stone, and occasionally they'll even watch, like, uh, uh, we'll change the language on like a cartoon that they— that we know that they like and just have them watch it in French.

Okay.

So, you know, a little bit more immersion in— into the language.

Yeah.

Um, and so the odd thing that's been happening is when I'm in my car, occasionally I'm watching YouTube videos. And if you're not a premier member on YouTube, you get commercials. So recently, about half the commercials that I get via the internet and on YouTube are in French.

Wow. Because you're watching stuff.

And the stuff that I own is listening to what I'm doing. and recognizing like, oh, hey, they're not just speaking English, they're speaking French. And oh, they're— like, once I figured out what was going on, I was like, this is the creepiest thing I've ever heard. And like, a lot of people that I know get this all the time, that like, they're like, how did Amazon know what I was searching for?

How did Google know?

How did Facebook know to put that in front of me? Like, I haven't typed that in. And then, and it's like, no, you, you said it out loud and, and your Alexa heard you, or your— I mean, like, and most people don't realize that, like, your iPhone or, and some of your smartphones, those microphones are on all the time. And if you give them permission, they are always listening, right? And oh dude, it creeped me out so bad.

Yeah, it's, it's a— there's a really funny meme that I saw not too long ago. I may have mentioned it to you, but it was this, um, This really— there's 2 pictures. The top one was this really old, you know, '50s type picture, and there are 2 people talking on their rotary phones, right?

Right.

And the one lady was telling the other lady, hey, why don't you come over to my house? 'Cause I'm afraid that they've tapped my phone, right? So the bottom picture says, hey, wiretap, order me a pizza. And so it's just this like this whole thing about like it's always listening. And, you know, I think our friend back in episode like number 2 warned us about internet security stuff. And, and I mean, it's real. And I mean, maybe you're okay with it, but it is. I can imagine that it was pretty creepy if you started getting stuff in French. You started going, oh man.

It wasn't creepy at first. I was like, well, that's stupid. Why is it playing? And then it kept happening. Like, not just like 2 or 3 times, like a bunch. And I was like, something—

oh yeah, that's weird. That's weird. It's— well, I— but it, it's one of the smartest marketing tools ever. Yeah, right.

Yeah.

I mean, whenever you're scrolling Facebook and you start getting ads for stuff you've looked at on Amazon. It's like, wait a minute, how do they know? Are they in bed together? Not exactly, but they do like to push each other's business.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah, absolutely. So anyway, today we're gonna do a fun game, kind of a redux of a previous episode where we each went through our top 10 Um, and I forget what, what exactly was the top 10. It was the top 10, like, must— was it the top 10 must-haves in the home? Is that what it was?

Yeah. Yeah.

And so we— those episodes went over really well. Y'all seem to really, like, enjoy those. And so Kevin and I had been talking about doing them room-specific. And so in order to make it a little more difficult on Kevin and I, we decided tonight, and we haven't, we haven't shared our lists with one another. So this is going to be completely spontaneous, but we're going to do our top 3 must-haves in the kitchen?

Yep. This is tough. Top 3?

Top 3.

Okay. Appliances. If I were to go through right now, I promise you, if I were to go through and number the appliances in my home— yeah, just in the kitchen, take, take other places out, just in the kitchen, the number of appliances I've got I bet it would eclipse 15 or 20.

Just in the kitchen?

Yeah.

Geez.

I mean, I mean, you think about everything from, you know, a refrigerator down to the coffee maker and everywhere in between. Like, there's a lot of appliances.

Yeah.

Um, and we've even got really some obscure ones that a lot of people probably don't have. Like, we've got a bread maker. In fact, we've been making quite a bit of bread.

That's just lazy.

Well, no, it's not. Actually, it's way more difficult than buying it at the store. That's lazy.

Well, I mean, using a bread maker is lazy. I mean, just like, you know, knead it yourself, dude.

No, no, I need a machine to do it for me. Um, it's, uh, it's an awesome process actually. Put all the ingredients in, come out with a loaf.

Well, spoiler alert, I bet you the bread maker doesn't make the top 3.

It's not making mine either. Um, but, but yeah, we've got— dude, in fact, I might go through and count them when we're done. All right, because I'm curious now. We've, we've got a bunch, I promise you, we've got a bunch.

Yeah. So, so anyway, so we're gonna go— we're gonna start at number 3 and we'll work our way to number 1, meaning number 1, the most important one, I guess, that you and I deem as the most important.

Yes. So I'm gonna make you go first though.

You're gonna make me go first?

Yeah.

All right. If I'm going first, I'm gonna go with, as my number 3, I'm gonna go with the combo stove and oven.

Oh, number 3 is, number 3. Oh, wow.

Absolutely.

That's far down the list, I think.

For you?

For, well, I don't know. I think for a lot of people, the cooking, like stove and oven, has gotta be high priority.

Well, I would think so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, it's, like, it's, it's really important, but let me, let me give you my, and, and this'll, this'll probably make sense later on in the show, but like, I can build a fire.

Sure.

You know, I can light some charcoal. I can gather some sticks. I can make a spit. I can cook food. But if I have to eliminate everything but 3 things in my kitchen, I want an oven-stove combo.

I agree with you.

100%. So now, would I much rather have like a double-stack oven and then like, you know, a single set of burners? Absolutely. But if I'm down to 3, I'm gonna cheat and get that combo.

I'm with you. The problem is I don't have one of those currently. But it's— but I did before I moved here. It's just what I inherited whenever I bought the house.

Right.

Um, uh, but I'm— man, I'm with you. In fact, you know, I, I, uh, I like to— to— I, I have a, uh, an Egg grill.

Right.

And we, we talked about grills. I don't know, that was like probably somewhere in the '40s back there. Um, and, and so I've got an Egg. The great thing about the Egg is you can grill with it, you can smoke with it, and you can also bake with it.

Right.

So like I've actually baked a casserole on my egg before. I've seen someone bake eggs on them before. So I mean, there's a lot of things you can do with that, but man, when it comes to just the ease of being able to cook, yeah, that's a, that's a really important one.

And do I, do I need to specify gas or electric?

I mean, Oh no, that, that's it. That's easy.

I mean, for me it's easy. I think some people— I, I, there— I know that there's people out there that prefer electric for whatever reason.

No, you do dual fuel. Dual fuel, dude, I'm serious. That's what we had in Arkansas. We had a dual fuel. We had a, uh, it was a gas range. It was a combo, right? It was a gas range and electric oven. And you— if, if you watch most any Food Network type of show, they are— their cooktop is gas and their oven is electric almost always.

Well, so, so here's the caveat for me, because this is, this is pretty important.

I know exactly where you're going.

I'm okay with dual fuel because I'm cool with electric in the oven, but is the broil feature gas?

No. If you, if you have an electric oven, you cannot have a broiler that's gas.

Okay.

I don't, I don't think so. I think these—

then I'm completely out. Gas oven all the way.

Yeah. I, I— okay. So tell me your reason because I think I know what it is.

I can just get a better char on things with the broiler if it's gas. Yeah. I mean, like, and it's, it's just going to taste better.

So, so there's a couple things to think about there.

And at the end of the day, I can still cook.

That's what I thought your number 1 was gonna be.

Without electricity.

That was gonna be your reason. To me, I thought that was gonna be your reason, because if you run out of electricity, like run out of it, if your electricity, if it goes out—

It's a possibility if you're on a home battery, all right?

Yeah. Okay, but if your electricity goes out 'cause of lightning, for example, you still cook.

Right.

If you have gas. Um, I'm completely with you on that. However, uh, I'm going dual fuel if it's me. Um, and, and I'm using— if I— if my electricity goes out, I'm going to the egg. So that's just me. Yeah, but those are good reasons. Those are really good reasons.

Well, one, one is a practical reason, like if you're not— if the electricity goes out. The other one is just like a, you know, A, you know, a cooking reason. Like, yeah, I'd rather have it this way because I like the way— like, I, I make my cheesy eggs in the broiler every morning, my friend.

Sure, we talked about that last week. Oh yeah.

So, all right, what's your number 3?

My number 3, uh, you're gonna hate me for it, but it's a microwave.

Oh dude, how can that even be essential?

Uh, well, I think it all depends on how you live life, you know? I mean, uh, I, I'll tell you, we don't, we don't do a lot of cooking in our microwave.

Yeah.

It happens on occasion. Um, the, the majority reason that we would ever cook in a microwave is, uh, my wife on occasion wants a baked potato, doesn't want to wait the hours it takes to bake them in the oven, so she puts it in the microwave. And we actually had to get a new microwave not too long ago, and it's got a sensor cook on it, which is kind of, kind of cool. You poke holes in the, in the potato, put it in there, and it came out perfectly, perfectly baked in the microwave. But we, you know, I think for us, it's a, It's our kids more than anything, is that we, we tend to

reheat food and do it fairly quickly for them just because it's time to eat and they're hungry. And so we'll, we'll pop stuff in the microwave to reheat for, for dinner when we have leftovers, for example.

Yeah.

Um, but I mean, we, we don't use it the way some people do. I mean, we don't do frozen dinners and that kind of stuff. Most of— for us, it's purely a tool to reheat with, with the very occasional something where it's like we just need to— we need to cook this baked potato. But beyond that, it's a reheating tool for us. So, but like, I know for you, how long have you gone without a microwave now?

Over 5 years. Yeah.

And And I get it. I mean, in fact, so tonight my kids ate all of our dinner. All of it. Like I didn't get any dinner because my kids were so hungry today, they ate all of it.

Right.

And so I was like, man, what am I gonna eat? Well, it just so happened that we had some hot dogs in the, in some hot dog buns. And so I was like, okay, I'm just gonna make a hot dog. Well, instead of going and firing up the grill for a couple of hot dogs, um, I just boiled it. My wife was like, you're, you're boiling? How long is it going to take? Like, we have a microwave. And I was like, I am not microwaving a hot dog. We need— not doing it. So, I mean, I get it that like, there's a lot healthier ways to, to live and not using a microwave.

Yeah.

They also take up a lot of space in your house. And I know you and I were talking whenever I told you I was buying a new one, we were, 'cause what I really want is I want one that's out of the way. It's like, you know, up over, we even have a space, it doesn't have to be above the stove necessarily. But you and I were talking about that. And one of the things you said was it's just a roach magnet.

Yeah.

because of all the grease that, you know, gets sucked up into the filter.

Particularly, yeah, particularly the ones that are over stoves.

Yeah, yeah, not, not necessarily self-contained units.

Which, I mean, like, they'll get in there too, but just not as much as they will in the ones that are like the, the, uh, the air filtration system for the stove.

Yeah, yeah, which, which makes sense. Either way, if I've got to narrow it down to 3, I'm probably gonna have a microwave.

I'm so out.

I'm I'm representing all the people out there that are going, thank you, Kevin, because I would too.

Anyone that's saying thank you to a microwave, we don't need to be friends.

All right, well, I think, I think you'll be happier with my number 2 and 3.

Let's hope so.

All right, what's your number 2?

My number 2 is the refrigerator.

Oh man. Wow.

So, okay, gotta have a good fridge, man. And I need, like, you know, we need the fridge-freezer combo if we can, but like, end of the day, yeah, I gotta have a refrigerator.

Yeah, I'm with you. It's gotta be a combo.

So now, are you a— and, and this is, I think this has actually kind of like become kind of a deal, is, you know, when I was a kid, everything was side by side. That was the big luxury item was Freezer on the left, refrigerator on the right.

Yes.

Top to bottom.

Yep.

Now, everybody wants French doors on top that's just the refrigerator. So you got big, wide pull-out drawers, and then you got one big freezer unit as a single drawer at the bottom of the unit.

Or double drawer.

Or double drawer. Yeah, they do have those. I don't really understand why, but I guess different levels of cold. I mean, I don't know.

I've never had one.

Is it just—

it's just organized. It's organization. It's a difference in having a deep freeze and having shelves.

Because like ours, ours is a single big pull-out drawer that has layered shelves inside of it. Right.

Sure, sure. Which essentially the same thing.

Um, so for me, we have the side-by-side freezer on the left, refrigerator on the right.

Yes. And that, and that's not what we've always had. Uh, when we got married, the first refrigerator that we had was the freezer on top, you know, the 2 doors.

Oh yeah, with the small door on top and big door on the bottom. Okay. Yeah. Right.

We had one of those too. Yeah. They were usually like brown. Or yeah, some of— many of them were green.

White or green.

Yeah. Um, so we— so yeah, we had our first—

You have avocado, Kevin.

Okay. Sorry. Excuse me. So then we went to a side-by-side. That's a really cool story. If I haven't ever told you about how we got our, our first side-by-side refrigerator, we need to have that conversation offline sometime. And then when we moved into this house, we had to sell our, our, we had to sell our previous house with the refrigerator.

Hmm.

It was kind of part of the agreement. So when we moved down here, we bought another side-by-side. Part of that was just size. We needed something that would fit the space that we had. And those French door ones seem to be a little bit larger most of the time. And so we didn't go with that. Plus they're more expensive. Oh yeah, for sure. So we didn't go that way. What's really interesting is my mom was here last weekend or a couple weekends ago now, and she was saying that if we ever got a new refrigerator, we have to go with the French doors. She was like, you can put so much more stuff in them, you

can fit more stuff in them, they organize so much better, those sorts of things. Which I will tell you that going from the old-school refrigerator the one with freezer on top, fridge on bottom, to a side-by-side, and you almost have to buy new containers.

Yeah.

To stack things differently than you had to in the old, old way. And so I think she's probably right when it comes to like putting casserole dishes or large jugs of things in the French doors. I think you can probably fit more items in those than you can side by side. What are your, what are your thoughts? Because I know what you have is different than what I have.

Yeah, no, I, I kind, I kind of agree with her. I mean, it just kind of depends on what you're putting in there. I mean, like, my, my main purpose in picking the fridge is like, I need, I need the ability in order to preserve food longer than it just sitting on my counter. And I'm all for fresh food, but I also love cheese. And, you know, like, and I like really nice cheeses and I need somewhere to store those that, and I don't have a cave. So refrigerator. But when it comes to like the difference between side-by-side and French door, like, man, I can fit like a supersized pizza sitting flat in this refrigerator and it's not an issue. And so I just—

Why are you not eating that supersized pizza? That's the question.

Because I'm not fat.

Oh, wow.

So sorry, fat people. Um, so I'm not sorry. Just put the slice down. All right. And go walk a lap.

Put all 8 slices down, actually.

Yeah. So yeah, no, I mean, so yeah. So, cause we send it to the kids when there's actually school, when we want to pack their lunches and we don't actually feel like packing lunches, we send them with the leftover pizza. Um, yeah, it's— it just stores a lot more, honestly.

Yeah, I, I think you're right. I think at the end of the day, you can put more in them.

Uh, and like, you know, now that, now that I have sort of that model, you know, inversed, you know, it— you're in the refrigerator a lot more than you are in the free— at least I am. I mean, I'm in the fridge a lot more than I am the freezer, and I think that's, that's more of a cultural move 'Cause I think in the '80s, early '90s, people were going to the freezer more 'cause the frozen food was a big deal.

Yeah.

And now, now fresh food's more of a big deal. And, and so you're in the fridge a lot more than you are the freezer. I mean, the freeze is really more of a place to like put meats and, and, and frozen vegetables and not necessarily like prepared meals. Um, yeah. Although I'm sure there's still people that do that kind of stuff and buy, you know, frozen dinners and, and different things like that. And, you know, if, if that's, if that's what you have the space for. Godspeed.

Yeah, no, I, I'm with you. The thing that I'll tell you, the luxury that I would really want, um, I think I want the separate milk door.

Oh yeah, that's been huge for us.

Oh dude, like just— I didn't realize y'all had that, but just having the separate milk door to where you don't have to open the refrigerator every time, let all the cold air out just to get a, you know, glass of milk or something.

Yeah.

Would be great.

Well, no, we don't have the separate milk door, but we have like the separate milk shelf.

Okay.

In the door.

No, you know.

And I know what you're talking about.

We don't have that, but— Yes, I'm talking about like a door inside of a door.

Right.

But yeah, oh yeah, we have a separate milk shelf too. That thing stays full. Thankfully we've got awesome neighbors. Have I even told you this? So our next door neighbors, I think I mentioned before, They work for a milk plant, right? And for the last 8 weeks, uh, well, so for the last 7 weeks, um, they have, um, they've brought us 2 gallons of milk every week. It's been awesome. Been awesome. So, all right, ready for my number 2?

I'm ready for your number 2.

Um, well, it's a little anticlimactic because my number 2 is the stove oven combo.

Ah. It was just, it was just higher up on the list than mine.

Yeah, it just— that's why I said I thought that number 3 was pretty low. Um, it makes me real curious what your number 1 is. Um, but, um, but that being said, for me, uh, you gotta have the cooking— the main appliance to cook with. You gotta have it in your top 3. If it's not in your top 3, then you must live on a farm somewhere with nobody around. and like no electricity inside the house.

Yeah.

Which I could get by with.

I mean, like if I had like a brick oven or something, I could make it work.

But like, again, if I got to pick— I could get by with it. I could get by with it. You add a family into the mix? No.

Yeah. And I think part of the game is like, it's not just like what's your top 3. It's like, if you had to build a kitchen and you only got to pick 3, you know, that changes the game a little bit.

Yes, it does.

So, and you picked microwave.

Yeah, I know, I know. All right, well, I gotta, I gotta know, what's your number 1?

Well, before we get to number 1, something else—

Oh, we're gonna make people wait.

Well, yeah, there's— we gotta, you know, be dripping with anticipation. And you know what, a lot of, you know, if we're, if we're going with the top 3, number 1 in our hearts is gonna be Paul the Plumber.

Every time.

Every time. And if you're gonna have a kitchen, let me tell you, you're gonna need to talk to Paul because eventually something's gonna leak. Some moron from some box store company is going to hook up something wrong and make a big mess in the kitchen, or make a big mess in the laundry room, or make a big mess in the bathroom. And you're going to need a qualified professional to come in and make it right.

And Paul the Plumber is your guy, and he makes it really, really easy, uh, to book things. You can book them online, um, on their website, which I will let you give in just a minute. You can book them on Facebook. You can even do these virtual tours that we've been talking about, which is unbelievable. Yeah, we get like on FaceTime or Skype or something and show them what's going on in your house and they show up ready to go.

Yeah, saves you time, get your problem solved quicker.

That's right.

So, and actually, I'm gonna pull the card up and everybody can see it right there on— can you, can you see that, Kev?

There you go. Yeah, I got it.

There's the logo. There's the lovely Deborah. And, uh, you, you can reach them over at 832-521-3252. And you can email Deborah at deborah@paultheplumberllc.com. And again, the website is paultheplumberllc.com. Give them a call today. Get all your plumbing needs taken care of.

And whenever you do, mention that you heard about it on the Homeowner Show.

Absolutely.

So what's your number 1?

Number 1, sink and faucet.

That's not an appliance.

It absolutely is an appliance.

No, an appliance is something that has to like get fuel from somewhere, doesn't it?

Water is the fuel, my friend.

Okay, I, I think that that's it. I think you're shortchanging yourself on that.

I Well, let me ask you this. Would you want a kitchen without a sink and faucet?

No, but I don't think that's an appliance.

I think it absolutely is an appliance.

Okay, well then I think you just ruined a lot of people's world on this top 3 thing. Good.

I'm good with that.

I, I, I'm sitting here going, is he going with dishwasher? Is that the one?

No, I'm not going with dishwasher.

Well, I didn't think so. But I'm, I'm going, what is number 1 if, if number 2 is like—

And I'll tell you, man, like, if I'm cooking in the kitchen, 80% of my time is spent right around the sink.

Absolutely. I, I 100% agree with you.

It's sanitary. It's where the water— I'm like, I'm not going for a bucket of water.

Okay, now where I can get on board with this is if like you have a disposal in it. Well, maybe that becomes the appliance that— I don't know, man. I'm still having a hard time with sink and faucet being an appliance.

Just because it's not electrical or gas doesn't mean that it's not mechanical. It's absolutely mechanical because it brings water into the kitchen. So is a dishwasher an appliance? It also removes water from the kitchen, so it allows everything else to remain clean.

Okay, well.

I mean, like, I mean, like, if you want to, if you want to get technical with me, it's, it's a rudimentary dishwasher.

Well, yeah, you're going to use it for dishwashing. I promise. That's how you get away with not having a dishwasher in your top 3.

Yeah. Otherwise I'm taking it outside and using the hose and I don't want to do that, especially since my kitchen's not on the first floor.

That, or the second floor. Or yes.

Right.

Or the third floor, consequently.

It's not on the third floor.

So, um, I, I don't know, man. I like— I'm, I'm— I agree with you that that is an essential thing to have in your, in your kitchen. You and I are not going to disagree on that. It's just that I don't think it's an appliance. I need, I need someone who's an appliance expert to tell me that a sink and a faucet is an appliance.

All right.

But if— anyway, way, way in internet and audience Yeah, I need to know, is it or isn't it? Um, because one of us is right and one of us is wrong, and Craig's gonna be really disappointed to be wrong. So, um, we need to know. Well, I need to know.

You all can jump on Team Microwave if you want, but you'll get cancer before I do.

Yeah, we'll be dead by then. Um, well, dude, my number 1 is a refrigerator.

I, I think that's a fair pick.

Yeah, I mean, to me, I can do without a lot of things, but something to store my food in is right at the top of the list. I can, I can live with cooking my food however I need to, cleaning my dishes however I need to, blah, blah, blah. I can get through all of that.

Uh-huh.

Having a place to keep food for more than a day or, you know, more than a couple of hours sometimes. I've got to have the refrigerator. That's number one for me, without a doubt.

Well, occasionally you can have running water from the refrigerator.

Oh, absolutely. I would not wash it up, uh, you know, a dish in it, but maybe, maybe you could like rig up the ice dispenser to be like a, you know, some other kind of dispenser, and you can— I don't know, I don't know, I'm just using words now.

That is what we do here on the show is use words. So well done, Kevin.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Well, but I didn't mention a lot of appliances.

Yeah, there's a lot of appliances we didn't mention. I mean, and, and we'll let your imagination run wild with that. Um, and maybe you have your own list and would like to, to share it with us.

We'd love to hear from you.

What would be your top 3?

Yeah, now let us know.

Um, don't submit it to Kevin because he's just gonna tell you that why your answers are wrong and why they're not actually appliances. Um, so, and then he'll tell you how you need to squeeze the microwave into that list somehow.

Um, not the microwave we got. We got a, it's too big, but it works. It works.

So do you wear like one of those X-ray vests when you turn it on?

Uh, no.

You should borrow one of those from your dentist, man. Yeah.

Hey, can I borrow that? Why? I need to microwave a potato.

So I don't kill myself.

I haven't died yet from microwaving something. And if that's the way I go, listen, it happens.

If you do, I'm going to make fun of you at your funeral.

Please do. I'm completely fine with that.

Your wife's going to be crying and be like, I tried to tell him.

Yeah. Hey, that's the ultimate I told you so moment.

I'm taking full advantage. Bless his heart.

Oh man. Well, um, yeah, send us, send us your top 3. I want to hear what they are. And please try to settle this argument between the— Craig's number 1. But man, I'm just glad that people out there are still downloading. Hopefully, you're getting your, your quarantine fix of The Homeowner Show, and we're gonna keep pushing episodes out. Every Tuesday, no matter what—rain, shine, sleet, snow, quarantine, COVID-19—we're like the mailman. Yeah, plus there.

Yeah, we may have even taken that oath. Yeah, maybe.

Either way, thanks for downloading, sticking with us through this crazy time. Hopefully, we're going to be coming out of it before too long. Craig, what else? That's it, man. All right, great show. Just like the microwave. It's fantastic. I'll take that out in editing, don't worry about it. No, you won't. Um, all right guys, uh, thanks for staying with us today. Hope you have a great week. Until next time, we'll see you later.

See ya.