Garage Floor Coatings with Garage Kings

This is episode number 141 of The Homeowner Show. Whether you're DIY or looking to hire, we're here to help you find the best information and options for you and your home. My name is Kevin Hackett, and here with me is Craig Williams.

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to The Homeowner Show. We are glad that you could join us for this episode of The Homeowner Show here in The Homeowner Show studios live. coming at you on the Facebook Lives. How you doing, Kev?

Man, I am doing really, really well, and I can tell, uh, that you've got it going on over there as well somewhere. Some loud going on. Oh, there's the bumpity bumps.

Right, look at that, we're hitting all the—

we've got all kinds of stuff going on in the studio. Yeah, it is all—

our secret is out, man. That's right, the feed is delayed.

It's all good, man. I am doing really, really well. It has been a busy week and it's about to get busier and busier as the summer drones on here. So anyway, things are good. I'll tell you this, um, I'm kind of— I, I grew up thinking that if you said there the rain should go away, you might get lynched because I grew up in West Texas.

Yeah.

In West Texas, rain is sacred.

Okay, so like you don't you don't tell it to ever go away.

No, no, no, no, no, no. In fact, we used to have prayer sessions at church just for the rain, but no dances. No, no dances. Okay, that's for sure. That's good. But here in Houston, I'm kind of ready for the rain to go away for now.

Yeah, we've had enough. Enough is enough.

Enough is enough. And it comes in in droves and all at once. And like I actually looked out the other day and it was coming in at an at a massive angle, like almost sideways.

So anyway, dude, it was, it was so bad. So like, I spent— like, when it rains, it, it's kind of nice for me because I end up having a couple days off. Like, I can't do too much work when it's raining.

Sure.

But when it— that storm came through, it knocked down a portion of my fence because there was a fence post that had rotted and it broke off in the concrete.

Oh man.

So I had to dig that out and then replace it. So I spent my entire, what would have been my day off because of the blessed rain, digging up a fence post.

That sounds terrible.

And then listening to irritated horses tell me, let me out of my stall. And I'm like, no, you're too stupid not to walk through the hole in the fence.

Right. So not only that, I mean, I'm sure that, I mean, since you put up those gutters, I'm sure it's better, but I mean, that, That place gets pretty muddy back there.

It's because the roof is sloped so bad.

Yeah. So what are you gonna do? You're not gonna change the roofline.

I might just tear it down.

Okay. I'll reach my limit. Okay.

One day.

Someday.

So, but not today.

Well, I'm not helping you with it.

Well, that's because the studio is attached to it.

Okay, I probably will be helping with it then. How are you doing?

I'm doing good, man. Like, we, uh, we, we watched the, uh, the Ryobi— the Ryobi, however you want to pronounce it.

It's Ryobi.

Yeah, well, I, I thought it would be a fun drinking game to see how many times they pronounced it correctly during the live feed, and it would not have been healthy.

No, and they never pronounced it wrong.

No, it was, it was always Ryobi. Like, they're like, listen, people, like, we're changing the culture around here. You're gonna pronounce this thing right.

So anyway, yeah, so they're going live on this, I think, was halfway to teach people that it's not Ryobi, although I don't think people care. They don't care.

They're gonna still call it Ryobi.

Absolutely, they are.

Yeah. So anyway, we watched, we watched the live tool feed. We're probably gonna do an episode on that. Um, Kevin and I weren't impressed even though we're big fans of Ryobi.

Yeah, it was just a, it was, um, It was heavy on the automotive side. Either one of you or I are big into the fixing automotive things.

I mean, I have been in the past, but like that none of them really impressed me. Yeah, we'll we'll we'll we'll talk about it, man. Like it's it there was there was some cool stuff. There was some there were some lame ducks. Yeah, they didn't bring back the garage doors. You know, spoiler alert: no garage door opener.

I was actually they mentioned garage at one point. I know, and I was like, oh please. Blaze, and they just didn't do it.

Didn't do it.

They didn't do it.

Didn't happen.

No.

So we'll recap that at some point in time. Maybe we might even do that with Eric G.

Yeah, that would be fun.

Which would be kind of fun.

Yeah.

But we had this post circulating around Facebook today about this guy selling a Dorito in a Mason jar.

This is like one of the most entrepreneurship things you could possibly do.

I loved it.

It was so awesome.

So basically this guy says that he's selling a special Dorito chip in a Mason jar and it's $10. And so I went and did the math.

And $5 to ship it.

$5 to ship it. So $15 for this Dorito chip. And to be fair, it looks kind of neat in the Mason jar, whatever. And he did some good copy on it. Kudos to him. But it was, a $1 bag of Dorito chips, and then maybe $15 on the jars.

Right.

It cost him maybe $22 to put this whole thing together. He sold 26 of them.

Man!

Which means he turned $22 into $260.

That's insane! Which is awesome! Yeah.

I loved it!

Yeah, it's one of those deals where I'm questioning the thought process of the purchasers, but I think they were purchasing it just to be like, I was one of those.

Let's be honest, it's not the worst thing the American public has spent their money on.

No.

In the last 50 years.

Yeah, we probably could do a whole episode on the worst things that people have spent their money on.

Well, I could, I could be on the list.

Yeah, I, I've never purchased you.

Well, not me, but things I've spent my money on.

Oh, okay. Well, that makes more sense.

No, I haven't sold myself in a while.

Well, you weren't worth it anyway.

Let alone some red-bearded man.

Yeah, no doubt. So anyway, we got a cool episode for you guys tonight. That's right.

And you booked this one.

Yeah, yeah, I don't book most of them actually. That's your role.

We need like a bell we can ring or something.

That's right.

Hey, I've actually booked 2 in the last like couple months.

I know, let's keep this train rolling.

Yeah, you like that, I know. Well yeah, well let's go ahead and bring them on in. We've got Lauren and David here from Garage Kings. And so let you guys introduce yourself. Uh, thanks for, thanks for coming on.

Well, thanks for having us. We really appreciate you, uh, introducing us to your audience. Um, so my name is David Todd.

Yeah.

And, um, um, I'm the owner of the local Garage Kings franchise.

Okay.

And, um, you know, Garage Kings is a national, actually international, it started in Canada.

Oh wow.

Okay.

And there's locations all across, you know, North America.

Okay.

So it's a, you know, it's a company that has a lot of support, but we are locally owned.

Cool. Very awesome. And Lauren, tell us a little bit about yourself.

Well, I'm Lauren. This is my dad. We were working together doing Garage Kings along with my husband. So it's very much a family business right now. And we're excited to get started and to, you know, help people have beautiful garages.

Cool. Well, tell us a little bit about like, how, how did this come about? Because this is a little bit of a new venture for you guys. So how did you get into the garage flooring business?

Well, it, it wasn't really a straight path.

Okay. It rarely is.

I, um, I had a fantastic career in the oil field.

Okay.

And, and, um, that, um, Came to an end last year, and I was looking for the next thing to do, you know, my next adventure. Lauren at the time was working for an insulation contractor, and we thought about doing insulation and, you know, got to putting numbers on paper. And, you know, I just kind of decided that I didn't want to reinvent the wheel.

Mm-hmm.

So I started looking at franchises.

Yeah.

And I went through a couple of insulation franchises and I thought, well, let's look at a little bit more. Let's see what the market's doing. See if there's something out there that's hot, you know, a niche.

Yeah.

And I came across the floor coatings, the garage floor coatings business. And the Houston market just seemed really wide open for it.

Yeah.

And I started looking at franchises in that space. And when I found Garage Kings, it was, I mean, almost immediately I knew this was the one.

No-brainer, right?

It was a no-brainer.

Okay.

Just the people are just fantastic. The company was going through a transition at the time, and I really liked what the new owner was doing with it. And I just thought it was the right time.

How long have they been around as a company?

Do you know?

About 25 years.

25 years?

Yeah.

And what— do you know what part of Canada they started in?

New Brunswick.

New Brunswick.

Okay.

And what—

was there a reason that they started the company, or—

It was initially, um, most of the work that they did was the artistic side.

Okay.

Where they, they did the marble epoxy floors, you know, the real artful stuff.

Yeah, right.

There's a lot of stuff going on with epoxy right now.

Yeah, it—

this—

I'll just tell you guys, like, those of you that are listening out there right now, like, the epoxy floor— and I realize that that's not 100% of what y'all do— but the epoxy floor, uh, niche— um, you mentioned that word, it's a good word— that niche has just blown up recently. People, people are going, man, I can have a much different experience in my garage if I have a coating on this concrete slab, right? And so it's, it's really like, like you said, it is, it is, uh, one of those markets that is really kind of hot right now, I would say. So that's awesome.

But there, there's a reason why it's, it's growing that way, and that is the technology. It's advanced very rapidly in the last 20 to 30 years.

Talk to me a little bit about that because I don't, uh, I don't guess I understand what that means.

Well, the The newest products that we're using are actually a polyaspartic resin, which is a polyurea or a polyurethane.

Okay.

And it has, it has the adhesion to the concrete is just as strong as epoxy, if not stronger. But it's also a lot tougher and it's a little bit more flexible, so it doesn't chip the way an epoxy might chip.

Okay.

But they've also formulated it with some UV inhibitors so it doesn't yellow like an epoxy would. It's resistant to chemicals. Basically anything that's going to come out of your car isn't going to hurt it.

Okay.

You just wipe it up and pop it and you're done.

Like with previous epoxies, like you had a leak, an oil leak in your car, would that stain the epoxy? Is that—

Absolutely.

It could, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, that's no good.

Nobody wants—

nobody wants to put an expensive floor on and—

Well, and, and, you know, there's, there's other issues as well. Down here we don't have any salt because we don't have ice.

Right, right.

Yeah. All the time.

Sure. Every, every once in a while, on a blue moon in February.

That's right.

Yeah, when the apocalypse happens.

Yeah, but even then they don't put salt on the road.

No, they don't. If anything, they put like a gravel dirt type of thing, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, so it's very different.

It is, but up north you'll see a lot of salt and the polyaspartics are very resistant to the salt.

Wow.

And hot tires actually can cause a delamination of an epoxy or any sort of paint, and you'll see that sometimes with just a painted garage where somebody's just used an off-the-shelf paint product.

Interesting.

So what would the salt do to the previous formulations? Like what kind of damage would that do to the floor?

It makes it brittle.

Makes it brittle?

Yeah, and then it'll just come up.

Oh, okay, so it kind of breaks it up. Okay, that makes sense.

Yeah.

That's no good either.

Yeah, I had a, the previous home that I owned, at some point I guess the homeowner just bought one of the off-the-shelf garage floor coatings and it's kind of speckled, right? Um, but it, it was nice in that it was a whole lot easier to clean. It was a whole lot easier to kind of, you know, to blow off or to sweep off or whatever. But man, I'm telling you, like, we had massive places where it just completely come up. I mean, because whether or not it was— I always kind of assumed it was a poor application in that They probably didn't prepare the concrete well before they put it on there. And I don't really know what that process is. What, what kind of process is it to

apply a garage floor coating?

Well, that's a fantastic question.

The short answer is extensive.

It is 95% of the success of the project is the preparation. And we actually use a diamond grinding process and I brought some tooling here.

Okay.

To show you what that looks like. So this is a tool for a diamond grinder.

Cool.

It's actually a, uh, the cutting surface or the abrasive surface is impregnated with diamonds.

There you go, right there.

These are industrial diamonds.

Oh, it's diamonds.

Yep. Interesting.

Put that on your finger, Kevin.

Yes.

It's not that expensive.

You've already said yes to someone else. You can't—

If you want it, put a ring on it, right? Okay, let me see that thing.

And what this will do is—

It's heavy.

Yeah, it'll take that top surface of the concrete off, what you call the cream. It'll get it down to the aggregate and leave a profile on the concrete. It'll leave it rough.

Okay.

So we're looking for a CSP of about 3 or 4, somewhere between 3 and 5.

Okay.

So you want that surface to be rough, and what that does is that gives the the resin more area to bond to.

Yeah, some crevices, right?

Exactly. Okay, but also it exposes the surface of the concrete to, you know, the porosity of the concrete. Concrete is not, you know, completely impermeable.

Yeah, it's porous too, right? It is porous, correct. So that's both good and bad in some ways, I would assume.

It is. In, in the case of a garage though, what you're going to do with this coating is you're going to allow that product to actually flow into the concrete itself.

Okay.

Okay, so it has surface area to bond to, but it also penetrates into the pores of the concrete. And once you have that bond, that bond with the concrete is stronger than the concrete itself.

Really?

You break the concrete before you break that bond.

Oh wow.

So you bust up the concrete, it's just going to come up with it. I mean, it's probably in like large massive chunks.

Yeah, yeah.

But you can remove it. Use this tool.

Oh, that's what I was gonna—

Yeah, that was, that was gonna— I was gonna ask too.

Yeah, so, so, okay, tell— okay, show, show that tool there in the camera. What is that tool?

They call this a PCD.

Okay.

Which coming from the oil field is really hard for me to say.

Pretty cool device.

It stands for polycrystalline diamond, although in the oil field we had bits with these types of cutters and they were called polycrystalline diamond cutters. So we called them PDC in the oil field. They're called PCD in this industry. Okay, so I had to kind of shift gears.

Right, it's hard to remember that. So what is this— what does this device actually do differently than— I mean, how does that break it up?

The way the cutter works is instead of grinding the surface, it actually shears at the surface.

Okay.

So this will actually remove a coating from the concrete.

Okay.

But once the coating is removed, you still have to make sure you get down to the, to the bare concrete and then profile that surface.

Okay.

So you would start with this and remove the coating, and then you would go to this and create the profile.

Okay, okay. So you'd have to go back with the diamond cutter to, uh, and then do you just reapply another coat of your product? Or, I mean, I don't know why anybody would go back with another layer of concrete. That seems dumb. Well, I mean, you could. I mean, I don't know why you would. I mean, and honestly, it sounds like you're probably not. I mean, maybe leveler. Do you use— yeah, do you use this? Do you use that product to, um, get rid of an epoxy and then put your product down?

Correct.

For example, Right.

Okay, you, you take a coating off.

Yeah.

And then replace it.

So are you, are you usually using that tool to remove an inferior product so that you guys can put y'all's down?

Um, or I, I would say not all of them. Okay, there's a few.

Yeah, there's a few.

Yeah, but most of them are, are just plain concrete and they may or may not have some kind of sealer put on them at one time.

Yeah.

And of course, they're typically impregnated with oil and other fluids that leak out of cars.

So you guys are using that tool to kind of remove that layer of stuff as well?

Yes.

Okay. And so I'm actually curious, what do those attach to?

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't bring that.

I imagine it's a little heavy.

About 900 pounds.

Well, come on. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, you're a big dude. I feel like I feel like you could carry whatever you want to carry.

You could squat that.

It does have wheels on it.

That's good. That's good.

But it's, uh, it's an industrial, uh, floor grinder.

Okay. So is it, is it like multiple ones of those working in tandem? Okay. So like how many of those going at one time?

Um, for my configuration, the grinder that I have, I would have 6 of these.

Okay.

And they're on 2 separate, um, wheels, if you will. Yeah, that turn in opposite directions. Okay. Now there are some planetary grinders that are larger, uh, where you could run up to 18. Okay, or 6 on each wheel, and they've got 3 wheels. So, um, this grinder is actually a little bit smaller than some of the bigger ones. The tooling is all the same though, right?

Just how many you put on the—

correct.

So again, let me ask you this question. If you were to do just a standard 2-car garage, which I know that that is a loaded thing because 2-car garage can be much different depending on what house you're looking at. But like a builder-grade 2-car garage, which is small, y'all, those are small.

400 to 450 square feet.

Yeah, 400, 450 square feet. Okay. Uh, how long would it take you to grind that down to where it's time that it's prepped to— how long does it take that, that machine to do that work?

Depends on how good your installers are.

Oh.

But, uh, when we went through training, we did a, a job start to finish from 8:30 to 4 o'clock.

Okay, great.

I mean, that, that's start to finish.

Start to finish.

Oh, that's, that's implying the epoxy.

Absolutely.

Are we calling it epoxy or polyurethane?

Or it's— well, it's a polyaspartic.

Polyaspartic.

Polyaspartic.

So we're, we're getting a vocabulary lesson, Kevin.

I can barely say it.

Do you have your, do you have your notebook?

Uh, well, I don't. Okay, but I wish I did. But polyaspartic—

The polyaspartic gives you the advantage of the faster cure time, so you can do it in one day.

Okay.

Whereas an epoxy, you would, you would have to put the base coat of epoxy down and then come back the next day and finish it.

Oh man.

Now when you're saying like done in one day, like you can drive on it?

You need about 3 days of cure time before you drive on it.

Okay, but like application, grind, all that kind of stuff, you're out of there in one day?

Yep.

Well, that's huge because that means that, like, for me as a homeowner, um, I really only got to take one day off work if I want to be there while you're doing it. I'm only going to take one day and I don't got to— like, for me, I live in a gated neighborhood, so I only got to get you through the gate one time. It's a lot. I mean, that's really great that you can do it in one day. That's fantastic.

Absolutely.

So what, what is the responsibility of the garage owner then?

I mean, like, or do we have to remove everything from the garage?

Is that something Is that something you guys do? Is that a fee? How does that work?

The homeowner typically does that.

Okay, I imagine that's better for your liability.

All right.

Yeah, you don't want to be dropping grandma's china, right?

Right.

Yeah.

We can provide you a storage solution though.

Okay.

So we can bring over a trailer and park it in your driveway, and then you just bring all your stuff into it, you know, lock it up, and then You know, it's not like, well, where do I put all my stuff? Is it gonna go in my house?

Yeah.

Or is it gonna go, you know, I don't want it sitting in the driveway.

Exactly.

I have terrible neighbors. They'll loot.

Exactly.

Yeah. Okay. So, so you, so you bring that over maybe the day before or a couple days before, however long it takes, uh, thing, you know, they think that it'll take to, to remove everything. They remove everything. So how often do you arrive on site and there's still stuff in the garage? How often does that happen? I wanna know.

Oh, I can't answer that question.

We're not, we're not asking for names right now.

I don't want specific people. I just wanna know, like, on a scale of 1 to 10, um, how often do you arrive on scene and you're like, you still gotta get that out?

Come on, guy.

Well, we have great customers.

So you're saying it's an 8. I'm just putting it out there because I mean, I get it. Like there's, and there's always like that, that freezer or something. Like, can you help me with this? You know, like something.

Sorry, I couldn't move it.

Yeah, exactly. It's one of those deals. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just one more thing you have to do before you start. You want us gone in one day, right?

Right. There you go. Yeah. So, um, I think that as, as we kind of think through this, one of the questions I've got is Craig mentioned the responsibility of the homeowner. I'm curious, what is the responsibility of the homeowner once this is applied and it's cured and it's good to go? Like, is there maintenance on this, this garage flooring?

Dawn soap and a squeegee.

That's about it.

That's about it. Really?

Yep.

Okay, so how often do I have to Dawn soap and squeegee this thing?

Well, how clean do you like your floors?

I mean, I'll eat off of my garage floor once or twice a year. I'm lying, I never eat off my garage floor. So, uh, well, once or twice a year. Yeah, twice a year. Okay, I mean, because I think that, um, it's one of those deals where if I'm putting this type of flooring down, there, there's probably a couple of reasons. One, I want to keep my garage clean, right? I also might use this as a workshop in some way, and so I want to be able to clean it easily. So, um, I guess added to that question is, if I'm not Dawn soap and squeegeeing this thing, how, how much easier is it to just sweep or blow, you know, blow out with a, with a small blower

or something like that? What is that in comparison to like a concrete flooring?

Well, it's absolutely seamless. Okay, so there's no ridges or cracks or anything that are going to catch dirt.

Oh, so it's like, like, I guess the, the closest you would get to in a home would be like a, I don't know, like a laminate flooring that doesn't have ridges in it. I mean, something that's just really, really sealed well, I guess, right?

Like a sheet laminate that's perfectly smooth. Yeah. Wow.

I mean, nothing's gonna really adhere to it either, so it just— no. Wow.

Well, so, so here's, here's my question to that, and I'm like, please don't take me as being aggressive. I'm trying to, I'm trying to poke some holes in this thing. If I get it wet, is it going to be slick?

It's going to be a little bit slicker.

Okay.

But, you know, we do treat it with a, uh, we put a grit in the top coat.

Okay.

That's going to give it some friction. And if you want to look at this, um, Yeah, you guys brought a sample. Yeah, one thing you'll notice is that the— with the flake, see that here, it kind of gives it a little bit of character.

Okay, so yeah, I'm feeling it. I'm putting this in front of the— and it's got like a— it kind of has like a bit of like a sand kind of a—

Well, plus just, just the way the flake lays down, it's, it's kind of like, um, the surface has character.

Yeah, you can see it in the, in the lighting as you, as you kind of moved it around a little bit. You could see a little bit of the, um, texture. Yeah, the texture. You can see some of that as you're— and even whenever you're holding it up like that, I think you can see some, uh, some texture in there. Yeah, but it's still not going to hold dirt. Well, that's the thing, like, no texture that doesn't hold dirt though is fantastic, right? And honestly, you want some, uh— oh yeah, honestly, I mean, I think you probably want some, some traction on this a little bit.

Absolutely.

Because like you said, if it gets wet or even your vehicle I mean, if you, you know, you come in and I know some people, they like Mario Andretti their vehicle into the garage.

They get what they deserve. That's right.

But like, if you were to like, like come in at 5 or 10 miles an hour or something, you slam on your brakes, you might just slide. But this has got enough texture on it that that's not going to happen.

Well, so, and I was, I was actually looking at y'all's website before you came over. Um, yes, Kevin and I do research. Um, And it looked like there was some different layers of warranty on different kinds of flooring. And so like that had a certain kind of warranty. And then there's like, I think like a marble texture that has a different kind of a warranty. Is it like 5, 10, 15? Is that—

It's a, it's 7-year warranty for an epoxy.

Okay.

And a 21-year warranty for a total polyaspartic.

Holy cow.

Yes.

And then 3, I'm not math whiz or anything, but that's 3 times the warranty. That's amazing.

Good job, Kevin.

Thank you. I, I'm—

I like—

I don't know much.

West Texas Public Schools.

Thank you. That's right. Um, what about the marbling?

Is that, is that just a different coloration, or is that—

Yes.

Okay, so there's, there's lots of different options as to how— it doesn't have to be the flake. What all different options do we have there?

Uh, what we brought today is, is just flake.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

What I'm saying though is like there's, there's other like kinds of colors and And like, because—

you mean other color chips?

No, like the epoxy that you're looking at, the ones that have kind of that wavy sort of stuff.

Yeah.

So you can, you can basically do any kind of color in that.

Okay.

That is actually, you know, we're talking about a niche within a niche.

Okay.

Those sorts of patterns and stuff like that is one of a kind. Every time you put it in a floor with that marbled epoxy, it is unique.

Right.

It won't be recreated. And so there are, um, there are people within the industry and that's what they specialize in.

Okay.

And they're very, very good at it.

Okay. And so there's the flake, there's the marbling there, and there's even like solid colors, right? That they just like without flake.

Yes.

Right. And are those, are those different applications or are they just different? Same product variation.

Okay.

Same product, just different.

Just less one step.

Okay.

And so then like the 7-year warranty, the 21-year warranty is just a different application, right?

So the 21, well, yes, but no, but the chemical that we put down. So if you get just an epoxy, then it's a shorter warranty. If you get the polyaspartic, then you get the longer warranty.

Okay.

Okay. Well, let me ask this question then. Do you also do epoxy flooring?

Yes.

Okay.

So that's something you will do. The, the polyaspartic is just an upgrade.

It's a better product.

Yeah, it's a better product. I mean, you're getting what you pay for. I'm sure— I'm assuming it's more expensive, but at the end of the day, you get what you pay for, for sure.

Now, the, the epoxies— there are some applications where epoxy might be preferable.

Okay, okay.

And like what?

One of them is if you have a water problem.

Oh.

You know, if you've got groundwater under your slab or your water content of the slab is high, then polyaspartics don't work quite as well.

Is there a reason, or?

They're a little bit more sensitive to the water, and, you know, part of the reason why they're such good products though is they're very highly engineered, and it does create some Difficulties, if you will. It's not for the average person. You've, you've got a very short pot life.

Yeah.

And your working time is short. So when you get ready to mix this stuff up and put it down, you know, you got to get it done.

Right.

And if you don't know what you're doing, you can't play around with it.

Right.

Because let me see that.

That's up on you, that brochure there, Kev.

Yeah.

Sorry.

That's good.

So one of the things that we do is before we put down a coating, We're going to use this instrument right here, which is a moisture meter.

Okay.

It has these probes on the back of it. What you do is you set it on the concrete and you just push it down and it'll measure the moisture content of the concrete. And it'll tell you, well, basically it needs to be below 4.2%.

Okay, okay.

So if your moisture content is higher than that, which would be the case if you did have a groundwater problem, Uh, then we have a specifically formulated epoxy product that is better for, uh, acting as a barrier against the water.

Okay, what— so at that point you'd be able to tell me you need the, the polyaspartic or you need the epoxy? Like, we recommend this is the best product for you at that point. I mean, you're not going to try to put something on my—

No, I want it to last.

Yeah, you want it to last no matter what, right? Yeah, yeah.

And you can get both. You can get an epoxy base coat and then a polyaspartic top coat.

Oh, okay, interesting. So, so there's a— so if you have a water issue, you could do epoxy with the polyaspartic on top and you get the best of both worlds at that point, right?

Correct.

Wow.

That'd be a specific application though.

Yeah, you're dealing with a specific situation, right? People—

okay, got it. What would that specific— what would make me want to do both? What would I be doing in my garage that would make me want to do both?

Slip and slides.

And you might. If your garage floor is always wet, you might have a moisture problem.

Right, yeah, yeah.

And it's actually coming up through the slab.

Right.

In which case you'll want a base layer of the coating that's directly on the concrete. You'll want a layer that acts as a moisture barrier Or the best product for that moisture barrier, right, is what you want on that layer.

So you're, you're talking about like if there's a moisture issue underneath the slab, not necessarily if I'm like an aquarium repairman.

No.

Okay.

If the water comes from the top, you're good.

You're good. Yeah.

Just as long as it slopes toward the big door.

Yeah.

But you know, like we live in Houston, Texas, and in Houston, Texas, I've, I've never been around an area that has more slab issues more foundation problems.

I have—

I was going to say, go to College Station, man.

I'm from Louisiana.

I've just never been there personally. That's just—

I live in a river valley. That's what you—

But, but at the end of the day, there's a ton of places around here that have foundation issues. And so, I mean, it's a very good possibility in this area that you've got a high moisture content in your slab, right?

Yes. Yeah.

I mean, our houses had foundation issues and we, when we were looking at homes in the area, we found that There was a number of homes that had already had foundation work done on them, you know, just part of it.

And you know, you really can't fix that by putting a coating on it, right?

Yeah.

Putting lipstick on a pig, right?

Still a pig.

So it's a pretty one.

Yeah. So in that moment, do you make sure that you just say, look, the epoxy is going to be the best option for you? And if you really want that polyaspartic, we'll put that on top.

We'll put the polyaspartic on top of the epoxy.

Okay.

Yes.

So how do you apply that? Like, do you still have to rough that up in order to, to put the— put your product on there?

Well, if you do it soon enough, when— before the base layer is completely cured, then you'll get a good chemical bond.

Oh, okay.

So you do it right away.

Can you walk on that then before it's fully, fully cured? You just can't drive on it, for example?

You give it about 24 hours and you can walk on it.

Okay, but, but we're still talking like 3 days before it's fully cured?

Yeah, it'll probably take 2 weeks to fully cure. Okay, but to be strong enough to drive on, you want to wait 3 days.

Okay, and so, so let me ask you this because I actually know people that have done this. Why wouldn't I want to go get a DIY kit of epoxy from like a big box store?

Well, it'll be— it'll look great when you finish, right? But it may only last 6 months, okay, or a year, a year and a half.

Now why is that? Is that because they're not, they're not using these tools, or—

The products just aren't the same quality level, okay? And the, the products that we use are, are just top of the line, and you can't just go buy that off the shelf, right?

And the process that we use is also commercial, so the grinder that we have is It's not, you know, let me get this angle grinder and do 400 square feet on my hands and knees.

Right.

So a lot of people will skip that prep part or they'll, they'll cut corners in that prep part and they might do an acid etch instead of grinding.

And what's that?

So an acid etch is just another way to try to profile the concrete.

So like throwing acid on the floor?

Throw acid on it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Basically. Yeah.

Yeah.

And when you do it that way, I mean, it can be done, but it's just not as effective as just going ahead and grinding the layer off.

Now, is—

I've never, I've never done one of these before. I've never bought a kit from the store. Is it in the instructions? I imagine you guys have looked in the instructions on these. Do they say like, hey, you guys need to grind the floor, or you need to acid etch, or you need to do something like that in order to prep?

In a do-it-yourself kit, it's probably going to recommend that you acid etch.

Okay. Rather than grind.

Okay.

Yeah, but, but you're like, you're saying like, look, I mean, like acid etch, I mean, like, like what Lauren's saying, like sometimes that'll do the trick, but the way you get it done is by grinding the floor. And the easiest way to do that is with these industrial grinders. And you guys can't afford this 900-pound piece of equipment, so hire us to do it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

And when you get finished acid etching, you've got acid on your floor, right?

Oh man, you gotta be super careful about that. And, and I would assume on some level Craig, it's like someone going and buying Ortho off of the, uh, off of the shelf and going, look, I can DIY my, my, you know, pest control because Ortho puts out a product that I can just, you know, put down, right? And, and, and you can tell me, like, we've had this conversation, it's like, well, first of all, that chemical is not very strong because they've got to be able to put it on the shelf, right? Like, they can't, they can't put the stuff that I put on your house on the shelf because I'm licensed and in order to

handle that chemical. And so there's a certain level of DIY to some of those things that they're like, look, I can't put that same chemical in the hands of just the average person because they're not— they're too dumb to put it on. Like, right at the end of the day, I mean, they're just not licensed, they're not trained, they're not professionals. But this is, you know, a lot of times it's not—

it's not an issue of intelligence. And I imagine you guys run into this too. It's an issue of patience.

You know, there's some skill too. Yeah.

I mean, like, and it takes patience in order to develop some skill. And like, a lot of times people are just, I just want my problem solved. Like, well, rather than develop the skill, they're just going to go, you know, what's the cheapest way I can get this done?

Sure.

You know, and, and then, you know, like, like we've talked about, gosh, 100 times on this show, it's like, well, when you cheap out, you end up paying for it in the long run.

That's right.

Absolutely.

And that's why we asked one of the questions that we ask at the end of our, of our show in the final 4. It's like, it's a job you walked away from. At the end of the day, like, you and I are probably— we're just— it's not possible for us to be professional in every single area of our life. It's just not possible, right? We can be professional in one, maybe two areas of our life, but other than that, there's other people that are professionals. And that's one of the reasons we do this show, is to put professionals in front of people so they know what to look for, so they know what to question to ask, right? So they're not finding themselves in a position where they're

looking back going, man, I wish I would have known. Because knowledge is half of the, half of the problem. Like, what I know at this point from talking to you guys is that I'm not qualified to put down a flooring that is, that is a high-quality product. I'm just not qualified to do that. You're qualified to do that. You've bought into the, uh, the franchise, you've gone through the training, you've got the products on hand, you've got the tools in your possession to do this. And unless you have all those things, um, not only that, like Craig and I have this DIY calculator on our, on our website. If you haven't checked it out, go check it out, because one of the questions on there is how bad do you want to

do this job? And, and time is a factor too, right?

Mm-hmm.

So you're talking about doing this in a day. This might take me 3 weeks to do. And I— can I live with all of my stuff out of my garage for 3 weeks?

In the driveway.

Right, in the driveway.

With my looter neighbors.

Exactly.

Well, then there's some other things that, that you might not know. Like, for example, um, some of these chemicals, when you mix them, you have to pour them quickly or else they will, you know, ruin inside. They'll be done in, in 30 seconds. And if you didn't know that, you spent, you know, however much money on this DIY kit, and then it's it's all inside your bucket.

You have a brick.

Yeah.

You have a puck.

Or, or for giant hockey players.

That's right.

Or, or you might, and this, and this happened to one of our friends too. You might say, oh, well I should have bought 3, but I only brought 2 and now I've got like 100 square feet. And you go to the store and you buy one that's the exact same color, except it's not the exact same color.

Ah.

And so you can, you know, I was like, well, I could have left it and it would have just been a patch of concrete, but now it's like a bluer blue than this blue, you know?

Yeah.

And it's just one of those things where I think so many, so many times we think I can do this cheaper. And honestly, I get it because I'll tell you right now, I'm a cheap type of person.

You can.

Yeah.

I mean, you can do it cheaper. And I'm the type of person that's like, look, I can, I can get my hands dirty. I can figure this out. I'm a smart dude. Like, I'm resourced. I've seen YouTube before and I can I can figure out how to search really, really well, right? But at the end of the day, I look back at it and go, I'm not the professional. I'm just not as good at this as somebody else is. And so it really is a question of what are you, what are you paying for? What are you getting? And at what point are you gonna have to turn around and pay someone else to fix it? Fix it, you know?

And that happens.

Oh, it happens all the time.

So the answer is you're paying for the result.

Mm-hmm.

That's what you want.

Yeah. And one of the things we talk about a lot around here too is the value of your home and trying to get something out of what you put in it. And let's be honest, I mean, a garage floor coating is probably not one of those things that people are going to go, oh, you spent that on it? I'll pay that much for it. It's one of those things that people are like, oh, that's really nice. I'm glad this house has that. Right. It's different in that case. But like when we bought our house that had a coating on the, on the floor, it was nice, but it was chipped. And after a while it just looks terrible.

Bad.

Yeah.

I can fix that for you.

Yeah, sure. But then, but then I either gotta, I either have to fix it or I have to be okay selling it to someone going, look, this is less than ideal, you know?

Right.

And it's just one of those things you gotta deal with.

Yeah. And kind of going back to our warranty, that 21-year warranty is transferable.

Whoa.

So if you were to sell it, the next homeowner maintains the warranty.

That's, that's really huge. That's unusual. I mean, I had a, I think I've talked about this on podcast before, I had a water softener that was put in 6 months before we bought the house and something happened with a sprinkler and it was turned the wrong direction. It was watering the water softener and it burnt the brain out of the water softener, had to be replaced. And, uh, they wouldn't warranty it. And I was like, this thing's only 6 months old. And they're like, yeah, they said we would warranty it if it was the original homeowner, but it wasn't. It was 6 months.

And I was like, yeah, that's a shame.

It's a shame. It's like you don't trust your product enough to, to be able to warranty it to the next person after 6 months whenever it's a— it was a like a 3-year warranty or something like that. But you're talking 21 years, it's transferable. That's— that, that speaks volumes in my mind to the product itself.

Oh, I believe in this product.

Yeah.

So, so I'll fix it.

And like, I'm not, I'm not anticipating this happening, but what happens if somebody has a warranty claim?

We fix it.

I mean, do you just repair it?

Do you take up the whole floor and replace it?

How does that work?

Sometimes that's what you have to do.

Sometimes what you— yeah, okay. Yeah, I know that's not any fun, um, because I've had to do warranty work myself. Um, but yeah, I mean, like, you know, like some—

sometimes, like what you're saying, like sometimes they you can't match that color.

Sometimes you can't, you know, or for whatever reason, like, that's just not gonna work.

Okay, so here's, here's a question, because I think that this is something our listeners will want to know. How often is a warranty claim put in on the polyaspartic specifically? How often do you specifically— I mean, I know this is a fairly new thing for you, but I mean, it's one of those deals where it's like, I can't imagine that often with a 21-year warranty. I wouldn't think so.

It's— I won't say that it doesn't happen.

Sure, right. Yeah.

Um, but budgeting for warranty is, um, is small.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I, I—

It's not a big part of the budget.

Yeah. And, and that's one of those things where I look at it and go, you get what you pay for.

Exactly.

I mean, because 21 years— you're saying 21-year warranty, that means this thing is going to last a lot longer than 21 years.

I mean, you'll get tired of the color first.

Well, and you probably would have been long past— you've sold that house. That house has been sold 4 or 5 times before that flooring is gonna go bad.

But the other thing it tells you is that I'm gonna do it right. Yeah, because I don't, I don't want to come back and fix it, right, in, in 5 years or 10 years or—

yeah, you know, it's done.

No, I want to come in the, in Sit there and, uh, you know, drink beer and talk about the floor.

That's right. Exactly right.

It still looks good.

Yeah.

Aren't you proud of this thing? That's one of those things like, hey dude, come check out my floor.

And actually that's a growing trend because, you know, everybody was home for a really long time recently. And a lot of, a lot of people are moving towards creating creating that additional living space and converting the garage and lots of man caves, you know, not just for, you know, shops as normal, or you would expect, but just, you know, I want to go and hang out in here.

Right.

Like our neighbor has like a whole bar set up in theirs.

Nice.

I was gonna say, I see that more and more now. Like when you drive down the street, you'll see the garage door open and that's become kind of like the neighborhood hangout spot.

Yeah. It's taking the spot of swinging on your front porch.

Yeah.

You're chilling in your garage instead.

Yeah, I was actually— we've got a neighbor friend, Craig and I have a mutual friend who live in the neighborhood, and when you drive to their house, there's like 4 or 5 garages, and it's not a long way into their neighborhood. It's a pretty short distance into their neighborhood. 4 or 5 garages, there's like 7 people hanging out in the garage with an 80-inch TV in there and a ping pong table.

And it's like they're watching football, playing ping pong, And drinking beer, you know.

And everybody likes to hang out in a nice place. Yeah, you know, so yeah, gotta have a nice garage, right?

Makes them feel good.

Oh yeah, for sure.

All right, so, so let's, let's, let's do the ugly talk, which is— I mean, and like part of this is I want to, I want to selfishly do this because y'all walked through my garage in order to get in the studio. What, what am I, what am I looking at? Paying to get one of these things installed?

A lot.

A lot, yeah.

But what the question you got to ask is, what are you going to get?

Sure.

And, and, you know, we just talked about that. What you're going to get is something that's going to last, and it's— you don't have to worry about it ever. Yeah, you won't have to do it again, and, and that's the value that it adds.

But as far as price goes, um, Is it like by the square foot, or—

I'd say if you were to budget somewhere around $8 or $9 a square foot, okay, you'd be close. Okay.

Yeah.

And is that, is that the, is that the epoxy, or is that—

That's a polyaspartic.

Polyaspartic. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, it's one of those deals where you, you're really asking yourself, what am I gonna— how am I gonna maintain this? Because let's be honest, uh, concrete has its own problems. In my, my garage right now, if you were to walk into my garage, you'd go, okay, there's already chips in this concrete. I mean, and, and there's, there's places where, um, when I'm blowing out my garage, part of the concrete's coming with it.

We fix all of that. Yeah.

And so it's one of those deals where you're, you're either at some point gonna have to come back with some sort of top coat, or you're gonna have to re-concrete this on some level because eventually you're gonna have a big problem that you're gonna have to take care of. So it's really how are you gonna fix it? Are you gonna fix it right the first time, or you can just live with it for a while until you get to a point where you got a problem and you're gonna have to fix a bigger problem and then go, I wish I would have taken care of this earlier, you know?

So, and you're talking about cracks and, and chips and stuff, and that's actually something that comes with our product whenever, whenever you purchase one of our floors. We will repair all of your cracks and all of the chips before we put it on there.

Okay. Let me, let me throw you a curveball because a crazy man owned my house before me. So this actually comes up quite a bit and I don't think we've ever talked about this on the show. So the, the guy that owned this place before me, apparently he was doing bodywork on cars and he concreted chains into the floor of the garage.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah. So is that something you guys could manage? Just cut those things off and— Cut them off.

Yeah. Grind them out.

Yeah. It's the craziest looking thing you've ever seen in your life.

What, what I'm surprised about right now is they're going, yeah, we do that. Yeah, we do that.

No big deal.

Like, you're throwing up a curveball and they're like standing in the batter's box. They swung and they hit a home run off of that.

What I'm wondering is, what was rebar?

Okay, that's fair.

Yeah, and a bad, um, you know, bad slab job, you'll see that periodically. The rebar will pop, gets too close to the surface, and you have a failure at that point.

So where I'm thinking, like, where my brain goes with y'all's product, because I run into— like, I ran into a situation not too long ago where a family had termites in their home, and they're— but it was on an island in their kitchen, and it was like, how did they get here? Well, it happened that they'd had a, like, And again, I think this is just the dumbest idea on the face of the planet, but they had a second-story water heater that had burst and just had drenched everything from the second floor down. And so they had to pull up all the carpet. Well, when they pulled up the carpet, there was a massive crack in the slab

that ran from underneath the island all the way to the exterior of the house. And I was like, well, this is where the termites came up. And so I'm listening to what y'all's product does, and I'm like, well, shoot, if like I just epoxied or, you know, whatever, if I did the whole kitchen in this, we'd probably seal up that crack and we never have to worry about this problem again.

Yeah, depends on the crack.

Sure.

Yeah, yeah, it was a hairline crack, but that's all they need, right? You know, but if, if we could seal that up somehow.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, and you can see, we could seal it for you and you can put whatever you want on top of it.

Sure. Yeah.

But that's what we would do, chase that crack with a grinder. Yeah. And then fill it with an epoxy-based repair product and then grind it smooth.

My brains are working.

Yeah.

So I mean, because at this point I'm— I— mine is too. So I'm thinking a lot of people go with like a stained concrete, something like that inside their home, but that's gonna have the same problems as any concrete Eventually. And how many times have you walked into a stained concrete home and you go, well, there's a massive crack through that thing because something happened and there's— now there's this big crack? Sounds to me like you guys could come into that home instead of doing stained concrete and doing something, some fancy marbling look, make it look fantastic.

Yeah.

Oh man, why not?

Can look like straight marble.

I've seen the pictures. It really does look cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And like they said, it's not going to be something that you see anywhere else. It's going to be unique.

Oh, you can't, you can't reproduce it.

Yeah.

You just don't know how it's going to turn out.

Right.

Well, let's, let's say for instance that, that like what Kevin's talking about, the house does have foundation issues or like a garage has foundation issues and there's a crack shows up in, in the foundation. Is, is what you guys putting down flexible?

Yes.

So it's not going to break apart if that slab, you know, obviously if it like, if it's on the side of a hill and it falls off, like it's probably gonna go with it. But like, you know, to like, you know, like most of the time what we see is like a hairline crack in the slab. Like it's not going to break that. Like it's gonna flex, I'd imagine.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

And the polyaspartics are more flexible than the epoxies.

Okay.

And that's one of the reasons why they're so durable.

And so does, does the warranty that you guys put on the product cover slab damage?

Depends on the slab. I mean, if the slab moves—

If you're Tony Stark and it falls in the ocean, probably not.

Yeah, right. I mean, he had some pretty serious damage right there at the end.

Dang it, I had the warranty on that floor.

The coating is not gonna stop your slab from breaking apart from each other.

Right, okay, right, right.

And let's be honest, you've got a different warranty claim at that point.

Yeah.

You got a different—

It's not the coating.

Right, you got a different issue going on.

Craig, be reasonable, it was international terrorism.

That's right.

Intergalactic. Intergalactic.

Oh man. Okay, well, let me ask you this question because we've, we've, we've covered a range of things here. What have we not kind of covered that you think would be interesting for the, for the average homeowner to know? Is there anything that we haven't covered already?

Well, you know, if you, if you see my trailer, it'll tell you, well, this floor makes you go, wow. And I have to say that I still go, wow. Wow.

Every time you see it.

Every time.

Yeah.

Yeah. It just, it's such a transformation. It, it will change the garage completely.

And that's fantastic.

I want to put a weird disclaimer in here.

Oh, do it, do it.

Yellow mustard will stain these floors.

Really?

Yes.

Weird.

Like, not Dijon?

Not Dijon.

Yellow, yellow mustard.

Like ballpark mustard. So don't eat any hot dogs and get mustard on your floor.

Oh, well, that's what I eat in my garage. Well, okay, be a neater eater. So, so it just discolors it? It doesn't necessarily affect— it's not like some acidity to it?

But it'll discolor it, it'll stain it.

So here's, here's the cheaper option, Kev. Okay, if you dribble a little yellow mustard on your floor, yeah, go buy like 10 jars of it from the store.

Yeah, and get you a mop. Yeah, just mop that stuff out.

Well, that's the color I wanted.

As soon as it hits the floor, just So actually be a clean, cleanly person.

I mean, if you're expecting a lot from him right now.

Well, I, I'll tell you this.

Let me know how it turns out.

Yeah, if I pay $8 to $9 a square foot for this thing, you better dang well believe that I am going to clean up some mustard, especially if I know this is like where it's like, call the cops, call whoever you gotta call. There's mustard!

Like, like, who bought the mustard?

Sirens are going off like, mustard! It's like, it's like the, the time whenever, you know, like a— what was it whenever a sock like hit, uh, Sully on, on Monsters, Inc. or something? Like, all of the sirens go off, it's like something bad has happened. Like, that would be my garage because I'd be like, not gonna happen here.

But, but now that you told me that, if he ever gets it, like, I'm gonna go leave a thing of mustard in his garage like every week. Yeah, just to make him think that I left a little in the corner, or like a little Where's Waldo. Yeah, and it's just gonna have a little sticky note and it says, love, Craig.

Right. I believe that's true. I believe that's true. And, um, I'll tell you this, like, I, I— mustard would be banned from my garage. It would like, no, this is a ketchup-only area, you know. Or Dijon, which, why would you not use that anyway? Like, if you have a different substitute, like far superior mustard. It absolutely is. Like stone ground, you know, spicy brown something. But yellow, just get that junk out of here.

Yeah, let's, let's just, let's just go ahead and put this— if you're using the standard yellow mustard, just stop listening to the show.

I'll put it this way, if you're using the standard mustard, you're not buying this floor. You've got a whole different type of taste. You're doing the DIY at home, right? I'm just saying.

It's fair.

Okay, it's fair. I'm putting it out there. Putting it out there. Well, cool, man.

This is— it was good knowing you though.

That's right.

We'll see you on the other side. And we lost in mustard hell.

3-4-6.

of our listenership right now.

People are like, dang, Dylan, I love that yellow mustard, it's so good.

Oh man, it pairs well with chili. That ain't right. Oh man, this has been really, really good. Like, I'm— I'm— it's funny because I was, uh, I was actually talking to someone about an epoxy flooring just the other day, and they were talking about how this is just blowing up around the nation, not just in the Houston area, just around the And maybe it is because people are, you know, living out of their homes differently than they used to be. Or I also think it's because that it's a newer product. I mean, it's not something that's been around forever. It's not something that people are like, oh, you know, whenever you do this, you do that. I mean, it's just not— it's new and it's something that people are excited about because it really

changes the livability of your home. in many ways. So it's really, really cool. So I'm thrilled that we were able to have you guys on the show to talk about this, for sure.

Thanks for having us.

Yeah, it's been really good. Well, so here's the deal. All of our listeners wait, they wait to this like hour. So we're right at the hour mark right now and they wait and they're like, man, when are they gonna get to the final 4? Because the final 4 is the most important part. So here we go.

It is time for the final 4. The final 4.

That's right. These are the final 4 questions we ask each and every one of our guests. We're glad you're here because you've not been on our show before, which means we get to ask you. So here they are. It's pretty simple. All right, you guys ready for this? We're gonna ask both of you. And Lauren, since you're the female in the room, we're gonna let you go first, followed by your dad.

How chivalrous. David.

Yeah. Hey, I'm a nice guy over here. All right, so here we go.

You've been warned.

You have been warned. And I'm sitting next to her dad and he's a little bit larger than me. I'm a little bit scared of him.

I'm not the one you need to worry about.

No, I'm not. She'll take—

he was real upfront earlier on before we started the show that he plays with swords.

That's right.

I mean, you do what you want, Kev.

I'm— okay, here, I'm gonna read the question perfectly. All right, here we go. What's the must-have tool that you won't leave your house without?

That's a good question. I've been thinking about it since I listened to the show last week.

Okay, good.

Um, the things that are in my toolbox are, um, since I'm, I'm more on the sales side, is a little different. So I'm going to take a little spin with this one and say I don't leave my, my house without my cell phone. Oh yeah, because I need that that, um, as part of my job. And so it is my most important tool.

Yeah, well, I'll tell you right now, that is the number one answer we get, and, and it's not surprising. Yeah, I mean, that— there's so much that you can do with your phone. I mean, it is a tool. And we— I joke every once in a while, I'm like, look, you can even order a tool that you need with that phone.

Yeah, it'll be there in 48 hours.

Yeah, Exactly right. Or if you live in certain areas of the country, 1-hour delivery from Amazon, you know, drone delivery.

Exactly.

Yeah, cool. All right, David, what about you?

Well, I can't repeat her answer, can I?

No, you could, you can, but you know, we'll know that you cheated.

Well, I don't leave the house without a tape measure.

Okay, there you go.

Yeah, because what's the first thing you're gonna do when you get to a job? You're gonna You can measure that side, measure and evaluate.

And yeah, yeah.

Now, do you— are you using a standard tape? You using a roller wheel? What are you rocking?

Well, she carries the laser and the roller wheel, and I carry the standard tape.

Okay. Have you, have you tried the tape measure on your phone?

I have.

Have you?

Yeah.

How does it measure up?

I couldn't figure out how to make it work.

Well, I'll tell you this, uh, I I learned something about the tape measure the other day from my friend David Applebaum.

Okay.

I, I—

are you talking about the little— Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

So, so maybe you guys know this. I've— I'm a woodworker myself and I feel so stupid not knowing this, but David, uh, our friend, he's an architect. And you know the little metal thing at the end of the tape measure? And you know, like, it's kind of— some of them you get and you're like, this thing's a piece of junk. It's loose. You know why?

Yeah.

Okay, please enlighten us because I'm, I'm some young stupid person that doesn't know what this is for.

I thought you were just asking me if I knew why.

No, do you know why?

Well, it's so when you measure something, if you're pulling the tape or, or you're pushing it against what you're measuring, you get the correct measurement.

Yes, it is a, it is a perfect, uh, width itself, right? Like it, it has it has a little bit of wiggly to it because whenever you're pushing it up against something, it measures that. If you're pulling against something, it measures that. Correct. I'm like, this is new information. Why did I not know this?

The more you know.

I know, exactly. Well, I felt really dumb at that moment after school with the homeowner's manual.

I wasn't judging.

Well, either way, David, thank you for enlightening me on that one.

There you go.

That's good. All right, we're gonna go on to the second question and here's the Second question, what's a job you walked away from?

No explanation.

Feel honored.

Fire away.

Oh gosh.

A job I walked away from.

I normally explain this, but we talked about that.

You guys know what to do.

We had a little prep. So I will go with the industry that I walked away from was banking. My first job out of college was banking and I enjoyed the customers. That's why I still, I like working with people. But I hated the institution. Yeah, so I, when I left, I walked away from, from that completely.

Okay, cool. Awesome. I mean, that's for some people. It's—

but it wasn't for me because I don't like being in the same place every day. Yeah, so the jobs that I've done the past 4 years and then this one now, I do the same thing every day, but not the same location. They're not the same location, so I have the routine with the change of scenery every day.

Cool. Yeah, I like that. All right, David, what's a job you walked away from?

I am not going to replace all of the wet sheetrock in the house.

Have you had to do that before?

We flooded in February.

Oh man, busted pipe? Yeah, 3 of them.

Suck.

Oh dude, we, we've got a— what, Kirk and I have a really good friend who, uh, their whole house is gutted because of it. Still, I guess, still completely gutted. It's a long, horrible, ugly, messy, frustrating, infuriating problem.

Mm-hmm.