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Fall Breaks, Fake Stimulus Checks & Football Shocker Week!

This week, the guys are back in the studio after a “camping” trip (well, one of them slept in his truck). They catch up on fall break chaos, celebrate their show’s climb to the top of the charts, and talk about some big updates from their friends at True Texas Solar & Roofing — including new Tesla roof tech and what’s changing in the world of home insurance.

Then it’s on to football madness: Texas pulls off a surprise win, A&M looks strong, and Oklahoma State sets an unforgettable (and bizarre) record. The conversation heats up around coaching changes, rivalry traditions (yes, tortillas get thrown), and even whether Nick Saban could actually head to OSU.

To top it all off, the hosts tackle viral rumors about a new October stimulus check — breaking down what’s real, what’s not, and how to avoid the scams making the rounds online.

Transcript

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KEVIN

This is episode number 335 of The Homeowner Show. Well, whether you're DIY or looking to hire, we're here to help you find the best information and options for you and your home. My name is Kevin Hackett, and here with me is Craig Williams.

CRAIG

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to The Homeowner Show. We are so glad that you could join us for another episode here in the studio. How you doing, Kev?

KEVIN

You know what? I'm doing pretty good. It's been a, uh, it's been a, well, we had fall break around here, so fall break.

CRAIG

Fall break.

KEVIN

Yeah. Well, I, you know, it's, it's very odd because all of the schools do different things. Mm-hmm.

CRAIG

So fall break wasn't a thing when we were kids, right?

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

Just making sure.

CRAIG

I mean, I know we had like Thanksgiving break. Yeah. And Christmas break. Yeah.

KEVIN

And we may have spring break. We may.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Right. Those were it.

CRAIG

Just soft kids, man.

KEVIN

Yeah. We may have had like one day somewhere.

CRAIG

I don't know.

KEVIN

But Like, now my kids got Friday and Monday and tomorrow, Tuesday. And then, um, like one of the school districts around here, they didn't get Friday off, but they get this whole week. They get a whole week.

CRAIG

So, John was telling us this week, he's like, I'm off all week. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

KEVIN

I don't know. Uh, I don't know how that works. But, uh, anyway, we, uh, we went camping and it was a ton of fun. You were there.

CRAIG

And, uh, I didn't have any fun.

KEVIN

Well, you, you, you didn't bring a tent.

CRAIG

Nope. So, no, I brought a tent.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Well, it was, it had, um, squatters.

KEVIN

It did have squatters.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And the squatters have rights apparently.

CRAIG

Yeah. A lot more than I do apparently.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Even though I bought the tent and drove it up there.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Um, yeah.

CRAIG

I mean, slept in my truck. Yeah. Like a good dad.

KEVIN

I had, uh, you know, what I have, which is, you know, air conditioning.

CRAIG

Glamping.

KEVIN

Yeah. Glamping for sure. 100%. So anyway, uh, that's what's going on with me.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

How's, how's life with you?

CRAIG

Good, man. Like we, we've had some, like, we've had some cool stuff happen with the show.

KEVIN

Yeah, for sure.

CRAIG

Uh, we, at some point in time and not currently, but like, I think this was a couple weeks ago, we were actually beating the boys over at Duck Dynasty.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

In our category.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Like, what the heck, man?

KEVIN

I know.

CRAIG

You know, old Uncle Si had to take one on the chin from the homelands. on our show.

KEVIN

Yeah, I was shocked.

CRAIG

So it, well, it didn't live, it didn't, it didn't last that long, but like, right, I took a picture of it and sent it to my wife and I was like, look, right, I think we've arrived.

KEVIN

We were like at like number 3 at that point.

CRAIG

What were we? Number 2. Number 2. Number 2.

KEVIN

So yeah. And, uh, I don't know exactly where we're sitting right now, but, um, that's in, that's in the primary category. There's some subcategories that are out there.

CRAIG

Yeah. Yeah. And so like right now, cuz I checked it before we went on, right now we're number 10 in leisure.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And we're, uh, number 2 in home and garden.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

So, cuz there's these guys in, uh, I, I've listened to a couple of their episodes. It's, it's pretty cool stuff. They, they're doing, um, DIY, uh, instructional podcast.

KEVIN

Oh, okay. Yeah.

CRAIG

So, and it's, it's, I mean, like, it's not like super entertaining, but it's really informative and sure. It actually tells you how to do some stuff.

KEVIN

Yeah. We don't do that.

CRAIG

No, we don't do that. Um, so, but like, but they're, they're doing a good job. I mean, like, it, it's a good show. They haven't been around that long.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, but they're putting out some good content. So good on them. And like, they're, and I say good for them because like, there's not really other people out there like us.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

Most of the other people that we're competing with are like DIY. No, no, no. Like most of 'em are like how to do a garden. Sure. Um, how to grow a plant or how to like organize your house, how to declutter. Right. Um, or like farmhouse, uh, you know, like how to grow sourdough or stuff like that. That, right. It's, that's in that category with us and it does really, really well. Um, but there's not really many other shows out there like us.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

Um, and so it's been cool to kind of be at the top.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, and we've been, there's these guys, um, the podcast is called The Minimalists and we kind of bounce back and forth as to who's leading.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And they're actually some HGTV guys.

KEVIN

Oh, really?

CRAIG

Yeah. So take that network.

KEVIN

Who needs a network?

CRAIG

Yeah, we don't need no network.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

So, I mean, we would like it. We'd have the conversation.

KEVIN

Right. If someone wants to, like, have a conversation, then let us know. We're always happy to talk.

CRAIG

That's right. We don't need, we don't need you.

KEVIN

No, no, no.

CRAIG

Yeah, we're fine.

KEVIN

But we'll take you. If it comes up, you know, if, if you're sitting around thinking, you know, what else are we gonna do?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Give me a call. Hey, uh, I will say this, uh, before we get any further, we need to talk about our good old friends.

CRAIG

Oh yeah.

KEVIN

Over at, uh, Texas, uh, True Texas Solar and Roofing. I can't even talk right now.

CRAIG

Yeah. Um, True Texas Solar and Roofing.

KEVIN

They are, and roofing, yes, because, uh, they do roofs. In fact, right now, they're, they're actually expanding in really, really cool ways because they're pushing Tesla a lot. And they're not pushing it because they just want more Tesla stuff. They're pushing it because Tesla products are superior.

CRAIG

They're just better.

KEVIN

They're just better. They're, they're built better. They, they've got better warranties. They're just—

CRAIG

Well, and plus it works out if you have a Tesla car. It absolutely does. It integrates perfectly.

KEVIN

It really does. So now it's, you know, you've got your Tesla roof. I mean, and I'm not talking about, like, just solar panels up there.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

I'm talking about, like, actual solar roof. The whole thing is solar. So they've got that option. They've got the Powerwalls, which is, you know, like what you're talking about with Tesla. You know, the whole home battery. The whole home battery. And then, you know, they've, they've obviously got their solar panels as well. And there's just, there's just a lot of really cool stuff that they can do for you. But that's not all. I mean, they, they do regular shingle roofs and tile roofs or whatever.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

That you need. They, they can do all of that. But they just got through doing a really, really cool project. It was a commercial project, which doesn't hit most of the people we're talking to. But they were, um, solar flowers.

CRAIG

Have you seen those? I saw that. The robotic ones that open up like a petal?

KEVIN

Yeah. And they're, they're actually just super cool because they, yeah. So they'll close off if they don't need, you know, if they don't have any sun.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

When the sun comes out, they open up and they'll actually like move to the sun.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Yeah. So it's, I mean, it's really, really cool.

CRAIG

Which makes sense.

KEVIN

It does make sense. But they're, uh—

CRAIG

And you can't move a roof.

KEVIN

No, you can't. But they put them— they put them in it like a— like a park.

CRAIG

Mhmm.

KEVIN

And so they're— they're kind of ornamental, and they—

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Anyway, they're— they're doing some really, really cool stuff. If you need help with solar, if you need help with your roof, you know, we've— we've talked a lot about insurance and roofs and all that kind of stuff.

CRAIG

Yup.

KEVIN

They can help with any of that kind of stuff. Give them a call. They're fantastic people. 936-286-8325.

CRAIG

Yep. And I, man, I'll tell you, I, I had, I've been having more and more conversations with, uh, insurance folks here lately.

KEVIN

Oh yeah.

CRAIG

Just been like, I've just been kind of like doing the old elbow, like, hey, is all the rumors that I'm hearing about roofs true? And they're like, yep.

KEVIN

Yep, they are.

CRAIG

And it's like, you know, what, what do you, what do you need to do there?

KEVIN

I'm just moving though.

CRAIG

Just moving a little bit. Yep. Do your thing.

KEVIN

There you are.

CRAIG

All right.

KEVIN

Gotcha. Cool.

CRAIG

Um, and, and what they're, what they're saying is they, they have to put it in the policy that you sign. So like when you renew, yeah, it's in there. They don't have to say it out loud. They just have to inform you.

KEVIN

Mm-hmm.

CRAIG

And so you could be like, this is important for everybody to know. You can be signing a renewal, paying the exact same amount that you were paying before and have zero coverage on your roof. Yeah. And you just won't know because you just signed the paperwork.

KEVIN

And you really, this is, this is true. It's not dishonest.

CRAIG

It's, it's legal.

KEVIN

Sure. This is true of anything. Like when you renew, with anything, and it, it can be, I mean, pest control services, right? Like, you just need to ask the question, are there any changes to what I'm being offered?

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

Or what I'm, what services I'm, I'm getting out of this service? Because there, there are changes all the time. And especially if they're year-over-year changes, 365 days is a long time. A lot happens during that amount of time. And, and sometimes, like, Who knows? Like, maybe a product that you were offered before just isn't even available. Right? It's, it's off the market. And so we've had to supplement with this other thing.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Or we couldn't do it. Like, I had— I had a deal with my medical insurance, uh, not too long ago where we had, um, free Call-A-Doc services.

CRAIG

Oh, Call-A-Doc.

KEVIN

Call-A-Doc. Yeah. So, like, you can call in and, you know, they'll diagnose you over the phone, whatever. Right. Yeah. Um, well, the company that was offering that service went bankrupt. And so guess what? That was—

CRAIG

they—

KEVIN

our insurance— this is just classic insurance, right? Our insurance company deemed that to be a perk.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And since it was a perk, it was just not supplemented anymore.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And so you no longer got that colonoscopy service. So It, you know, and, and that was a, that was $0 copay for us. Like it was awesome. Um, and anyway, that kind of stuff, just, just ask the question.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And, and find out what's happening.

CRAIG

Yeah. So, I mean, it's, and now to be fair, this information isn't necessarily pertinent to like people in Ohio or Pennsylvania, but it might be. I mean, like, I mean, it could be, but like those states aren't having the issues that Gulf Coast states are having.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Or, or Atlantic Coast states for that matter, or Pacific Coast.

KEVIN

What we got? We got a nice little bug, little roach right here.

CRAIG

Oh, look at that. Ooh.

KEVIN

Oh, uh, he ain't gonna live too long. You flicked him just right. Uh, sorry, go ahead.

CRAIG

It's sorry. I derailed. That's fine. That's fine. I was doing my job. Um, sorry.

KEVIN

Do your job.

CRAIG

Uh, yeah. Well, I mean, like, it wouldn't surprise me if people in North Carolina suddenly didn't have flood insurance anymore.

KEVIN

Oh yeah.

CRAIG

You know what I mean? I mean, like, when's the last time it flooded in North Carolina? Well, hundreds of years, who knows?

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

But like, they had such a bad one that the insurance companies are looking at it like, that sucked last time.

KEVIN

Yeah, I don't wanna do that again.

CRAIG

We don't wanna do that again.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Which was actually an ad that I saw recently, which I thought was a smart ad by Hartford. And this isn't like an ad, they didn't ask me to do this or anything, but they were talking about how during the famous New York fires that burned so much of the city, like, you know, well over 100 years ago, um, that a lot of the Hartford executives actually divested in order to pay the claims. Um, and they said that's because all the other insurance companies pulled out.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And said that we couldn't do it. But these guys put their actual money on the line and fulfilled those, those claims. And they've just been there ever since. Wow. And people have trusted them ever since.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

I mean, like my, my wife's grandfather worked for that company. My, uh, my uncle, Still works for that company.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And like a lot, not a lot of people even know about that company, at least around here.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Um, but yeah, it's, it's, that's a big deal.

KEVIN

Yeah, it is.

CRAIG

When people lose trust in their insurance, which is like their safety net.

KEVIN

Yeah. It's a big deal.

CRAIG

That's a big deal.

KEVIN

I mean, I, you, you, you, and the problem with, with insurance is you have to have it. Mm-hmm. Like, uh, there's very few instances where you can get away with just not having insurance.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

You, you— it's not— I'm not saying you have to have it because like, oh, you really should have it. No, I as a mortgage owner have to have it.

CRAIG

Have to have it.

KEVIN

And so it's not some that— and it's got to be a certain level. Like, it's got to, it's got to meet the standards that my mortgage company says it has to meet. Otherwise, they will drop me. Mm-hmm. And so, you know, that's the thing that I think is so challenging with insurance because insurance companies are aware of that. So it—

CRAIG

What's the problem? Because the banks aren't gonna lend you money that's not protected. Sure. I mean, it's an investment on their part.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Even though they're making gobs of money off you making your payments, they still own that piece of real estate until you pay it off.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And, you know, so here's, here's the, here's sort of the downstream effects that, that we're seeing is I, I read an article not too long ago about what's happening in California. And we talked about this months and months and months and months ago after the fires, and all of a sudden people realizing, oh, I don't have fire insurance because the last fire the insurance company pulled fire coverage and told everybody that they were pulling fire coverage and told the California state government that we're pulling fire coverage 'cause you guys aren't managing the wildlife properly.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And made it abundantly clear, and then people still cried foul.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

When they didn't, they weren't covered. And, you know, if, if, if the insurance companies, like, weren't forthright with that information, shame on them. Sure. But all, everything I could see, they were singing it from the rooftops.

KEVIN

Yeah. You need to maybe elect different people.

CRAIG

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

KEVIN

Just an idea.

CRAIG

We'll talk about that later.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Yeah. Yes, we will. But, oh, Katie.

KEVIN

Oh, Katie Potato.

CRAIG

Yeah. So what, what's happening right now is people in California, even though they are there, can't buy houses because what the California state government's answer was, it was to create the affordable plan. And I, I know that's not the actual name for it. I can't remember the name off the top of my head. But they created this plan to keep insurance companies and, and insurance in the state of California because so many companies were pulling out of the state.

KEVIN

And wouldn't even— they just wouldn't cover people.

CRAIG

Just wouldn't cover people.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And, and so the state government said, okay, now we have to create a state-funded, a state-run program, and people aren't qualifying.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And/or they can't afford the insurance plus the mortgage because, as we all know, real estate in California is super cheap.

KEVIN

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

CRAIG

And so they have to be insured for the amount that they're paying for the property, which means they're going to be paying exorbitant rates.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

and premiums on the insurance.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And so people, people get to this signing the dotted line and it's like the insurance is almost as much as the mortgage. Yeah. And they can't afford it.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And so people can't buy houses. Yeah. And it, what it is, it's pricing people outta the market and the only people who can do it have cash. Right. Yeah.

KEVIN

Which it's why so many people are moving.

CRAIG

Well, and it's, here's the other thing is it's opening the opportunity for outside ventures to move in and start buying real estate. You've probably been hearing stories about, like, Chinese conglomerates buying real estate.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

BlackRock snapping up a bunch of real estate.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

And, like, we can all complain about it, but, like, this is the reality of the situation that we're in, is they are creating situations in places like California where the property is so expensive and the insurance is expensive, is the only people that can inhabit have cash. The only people that have cash are these conglomerates.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And these, these you know, investment firms that have cash on hand.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

And, and why wouldn't you? Because real estate's a fantastic investment. It is, you know. And, and no fault to those organizations for trying to get as much real estate as they can. Sure. And so you're starting to see some states pass laws that say that no, no foreign investors can own real estate in their state, right? Because they can see the writing on the wall.

KEVIN

Well, they've got to do something. And, but But again, this, this comes down to a leadership issue.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And the leadership is, you know, you voted for 'em. Now, not everybody did, but a lot of people voted for the people that are there.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And the people that didn't, they, they've tried to book outta there as quickly as possible. Yeah. And it's just a problem. Yeah. It just is.

CRAIG

Well, and I, you know, Gavin Newsom, uh, earlier It was, it was this week or last week. I don't remember which one was, you know, he's got his podcast that he's doing now and he's inviting people and this and that on there and he's doing okay. Um, but he, he, was it an interview that he was doing anyway? He called Joe Rogan a chicken. Oh, for not having him on. And like, one, like Joe's not gonna respond to that.

KEVIN

Well, and two, not only that, he's not a chicken.

CRAIG

He's not.

KEVIN

Of all, of all the people in the world, Joe Rogan is not a chicken.

CRAIG

Not a chicken. No. And Like, why would you, like, poke a bear? One, he's, he's poking a bear that, like, doesn't have to have him on in, in order to excoriate him, which he's been doing for, like, 4 years anyway.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Why have him on?

KEVIN

No, it doesn't matter.

CRAIG

And, like, he, and he probably, like, honestly, Rogan probably doesn't even know that he said that crap, but he doesn't care either. He doesn't care.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

And, and so, like, why? Like, I don't even, like, it's such a childish game, right? He's just a chicken and won't have me on so I can explain myself. And he's like, no, I think he understands pretty well and just doesn't want you on. Right.

KEVIN

Um, yeah, stop being— well, you know, you know what I mean?

CRAIG

Yeah, I do, I do, I do. Well, so we had, uh, we, we did go camping, but we watched a lot of football, dude. We watched a lot of good football.

KEVIN

We— Saturday turned out to be a much more interesting day of football than I think most people anticipated. Now, there were a couple of good games on.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

I mean, you had, you had Oregon and Indiana.

CRAIG

Probably the best game on all weekend.

KEVIN

Absolutely.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

I mean, you had, you had 2 top 10 teams. That doesn't always happen. So that's pretty exciting.

CRAIG

And that one of those teams was Indiana.

KEVIN

It was Indiana. I, I'll say it again. Indiana, if you didn't hear me. No, they are in, you know, top 10. And not only that, won.

CRAIG

Yeah, they won. They beat the Ducks.

KEVIN

They won the game, you know?

CRAIG

So I mean, I'm actually shocked they— I mean, like, they're at number 3 right now. I'm shocked they're not at number 2.

KEVIN

Oh, me too.

CRAIG

I mean, like, because I think everybody sort of just has this understanding Ohio's not gonna move from that spot unless somebody beats 'em.

KEVIN

No, I— and, and frankly, with, with their ongoing schedule from here, Who's gonna beat them? Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's it's the conversation we can have about tech too. Like who who does tech play?

CRAIG

The only thing they've got left is BYU.

KEVIN

Well, yeah, but but even but even then, like, you know what?

CRAIG

I'm not saying I don't. I think BYU is better. I mean, I think the only I think the biggest challenge they have down the stretch is BYU.

KEVIN

Yeah, because BYU barely beat Arizona. Mm-hmm. And I mean, they beat them. By just a touchdown, less than a touchdown.

CRAIG

Does Tech play Arizona before they play BYU?

KEVIN

Uh, well, we play Arizona State before them.

CRAIG

Oh, so you're not playing Arizona?

KEVIN

I don't think we play Arizona. Um, and so that doesn't really matter. But here's what's crazy. So Arizona State was— they were ranked at one point. Yeah. And they were—

CRAIG

They were ranked last week, weren't they?

KEVIN

They were.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

But the problem is Utah came in and put 42 points up on them and only allowed 10.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

So it was 10 to 42 against Arizona State and, and Tech trounced Utah. Utah. Yeah.

CRAIG

Which makes that win look better.

KEVIN

It makes the win look that much better.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And so, you know, this is the, the crazy things that are happening. But, you know, the other, the other game that was, that there were a couple of games that were pretty interesting last week. What was, what was the other one that we were watching early on?

CRAIG

Well, we watched Alabama-Missouri.

KEVIN

Alabama-Missouri. Yeah, that was it. It didn't— it wasn't as good as, as it could have been.

CRAIG

But then the Red River.

KEVIN

But then the big one was the Red River Showdown, right? Like that, that game, we said it, didn't we? Like we said last week that it does not matter what the records are. It does not matter who Arch Manning is. It does not matter whether or not not Oklahoma's quarterback plays or doesn't play. He's questionable going in. We get all that. He obviously plays. They go in and they go to the Cotton Bowl. I think that was the right call though. Right. Yeah. Because they go into the Cotton Bowl, this iconic stadium that the days that they were playing in the Cowboys Stadium, it's just like, go away, go back to the tried and true.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And so They, they go into the Cotton Bowl and Texas has just gotten kicked out of the top 25 because they can't win. And they're just, they're getting beat by teams they shouldn't get beat by.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And Oklahoma's been doing pretty well. They came off a bye week.

CRAIG

They were undefeated.

KEVIN

They were undefeated. Came off a bye week though. And we've said before, bye weeks are bye weeks.

CRAIG

They're a trap, man.

KEVIN

I hate bye weeks. They're either Most of the time you come, you come back lazy. Mm-hmm. But I mean, sometimes you come back stronger, but a lot of times you come back lazy. They came back lazy and Texas beat them. And they didn't just beat them, they beat them good.

CRAIG

Pretty good.

KEVIN

They beat them pretty good.

CRAIG

But like, I'll say this, I don't think either one of them looked all that great.

KEVIN

No, it was a weird— but again, this goes back to it's a rivalry. Like, I— and not just a rivalry, this is one of the biggest rivalries of rivalries. I mean, uh, I mean, to the point where I got— this is so stupid, but I was frustrated that they moved the time of that game. Because that game has always been at 11:00.

CRAIG

Mmhmm.

KEVIN

That's like changing, I don't know, Charlie Brown on Christmas. I mean, like, what are you doing? It's always at 11:00, uh, when they play that game. They moved it to 2:30. I— that's dumb. I get that. But it's just little things like that. It is such a big game.

CRAIG

Yeah, but like in 2 or 3 years, you won't even notice.

KEVIN

Notice what? The change?

CRAIG

The change.

KEVIN

Oh, no, no, no. I get that. It just— it's— my point is all bets are off.

CRAIG

Yeah. I mean, just, just for instance, I remember as a kid, the A&M Longhorn game was always I think always on Thanksgiving. It was either the— or it was like a day before or after Thanksgiving. It was like always Thanksgiving.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

For a long time. Like going back to like Southwest Conference days.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And then Big 12, it was Thanksgiving. And then I forget what changed it because it changed before they left for the SEC.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

But there was something and like a lot of people were pissed off.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

'Cause it was like, that was like their Thanksgiving tradition.

KEVIN

It was a big deal.

CRAIG

Yeah. It was a big deal.

KEVIN

And I, and I get that change, but I mean, whenever, whenever you only— okay, put in perspective for people that don't, don't know.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

Texas, not in the top 25. Oklahoma was like number 6, right?

CRAIG

Number 6.

KEVIN

Yeah. Number 6. Um, they come in and put 23 points up on Oklahoma and only allow 6. Mm-hmm. That's, that's a big deal.

CRAIG

Mmhmm.

KEVIN

And, you know, it was a shocker of a game, I think, to most people.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

So, uh, but I'm here for it. I mean, I know you're—

CRAIG

The outcome was great.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

It's like the only time I'll root for Texas is when they're playing OU. Sure, of course. Um, and I would— and the people— 'cause, honestly, at some point I was really tempted to start rooting for OU, 'cause there was a guy with us that was rooting for Texas.

KEVIN

That's hard.

CRAIG

And that just bothers me.

KEVIN

Yeah. Yeah.

CRAIG

I just want to like, you know, I kind of wanted him to be a little sad.

KEVIN

Well, he wasn't because he was a Texas fan. But you know, the other games that were, I mean, we mentioned Alabama.

CRAIG

We got the whole rest of the season for him to be sad.

KEVIN

That's true.

CRAIG

He could have that day.

KEVIN

Yeah. That's a good point. I mean, you mentioned Alabama and Missouri. Alabama barely squeaked by in that game.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And I mean, Missouri's ranked, they were 16, but they barely squeaked by. I mean, it just, It's, it's very odd, um, kind of what, what happened. I mean, goodness gracious, Arkansas almost beat Tennessee.

CRAIG

Yeah, that was a big deal.

KEVIN

They didn't, but they almost did.

CRAIG

Well, and, uh, Ole Miss almost lost to an unranked Washington.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Which is why they dropped.

KEVIN

Of course. As they—

CRAIG

but they didn't drop that much, but they dropped.

KEVIN

That's right. Um, but yeah, I mean, of course, you know, you've got your, your Aggies. Um, they took care of business, dude.

CRAIG

They, they piledrived Florida.

KEVIN

Yeah, they did.

CRAIG

I, I I was— it was, it was looking kind of weird right at first.

KEVIN

Well, yeah, because Florida came down and, and scored really handily, but then 2 plays later, A&M scores. And, and really at halftime it was, it was what, 21 to 14 or something? Like it was—

CRAIG

Yeah, it was 21-14.

KEVIN

It was fairly close. Um, and then after that they just, they just couldn't hang. Florida is still an enigma to me that— well, here's, I, I I think there's a couple things here. First of all, I think that, um, their head coach is—

CRAIG

I think he's done.

KEVIN

He, he's wacky.

CRAIG

I've watched, I watched some, um, response videos to the loss from the Gators' perspective. Like some of the, some of the Gator, you know, press people that, you know, have shows where they do, you know, interviews and things like this. Sure. And oh my gosh, they hate Billy Napier. Oh, they can't stand him.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

I mean, like these, I was watching these guys.

KEVIN

For good reason.

CRAIG

Doing, and I watched some video where I was like, Yeah, that's, that's pretty bad. When they're, when they're playing A&M. But these guys were literally passing the hat at the brewery that they were at where they were doing this live show saying like, hey, it's the, the payoff fund to get Napier out of here. Get him out, get him out, get him out, get him out now. We don't even care if we have to rebuild for 2 years.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Just make him go away.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And the, the prime example that I saw from that game, which I, I didn't even pay attention to while I was watching it, but it makes complete sense now. is Florida had the ball with a little more than 2 minutes to go and they were like at the 40-yard line in the other team's territory. And they took a minute to run 3 plays and went 10 yards.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And ended up with like 36 seconds left and were only at the other, they were only at the 5th-yard line.

KEVIN

Yeah, you can't do anything with that.

CRAIG

And like they were down, right? And, and they were like, where's the, where's the no huddle?

KEVIN

Where's— They were running the ball.

CRAIG

And they're running the ball.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Yes. And it's like, what, who's, who's calling these plays? Well, he's, he's an offensive-minded head coach. Like he's, he's calling the plays.

KEVIN

And their, their quarterback, uh, I forget his name all of a sudden. He's from Willis.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And let me tell you right now, that kid is unbelievable. But you know where he's unbelievable? He's unbelievable with his legs. Now he's, he's a decent passer as well. Don't, don't get me wrong, but they're not letting him run.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And so, you know, it's just, it's, it's very, very odd. Very, very weird. But I'll tell you one of the biggest, uh, most interesting things that happened, uh, recently, you know, this, the week right after we recorded was the firings.

CRAIG

Oh yeah. The Penn State one.

KEVIN

Well, yeah. So yeah, first of all, James Franklin, I mean, he, he gets fired and they're, they're winning. So I don't, I mean, they're, they're not totally winning, but I, I don't understand that at all. Uh, Oregon State fires their coach. Of course they're 0-7, so he probably deserves to get, uh, to get, uh, fired. Oh, Trent Dilfer. Let's not forget Trent Dilfer.

CRAIG

I don't know who that is.

KEVIN

He's at UAB.

CRAIG

Oh, okay.

KEVIN

Um, he, he got fired, but like, it's been interesting. So, you know, Sam Pittman from Arkansas was fired. Mike Gundy from Oklahoma State was fired. Brent Pry from Virginia Tech has been fired. DeSean Foster at UCLA has been fired. Like, this, this has been an interesting year of some pretty healthy firings in college football. So yeah, anyway, lots of, lots of very, very interesting stuff.

CRAIG

Well, so here's this, and I think I've got this stat right because I was, I was, I heard it today. Let's see if this is it. No, that's not going to be it. Anyway, it's in the last 3 games that A&M has played, uh, 3rd down completions by their opponents was like 3 for 33.

KEVIN

Yeah, they're— well, A&M's defense has been—

CRAIG

I'm like, holy crap.

KEVIN

Yeah, super stout.

CRAIG

I mean, I don't even know how you do that.

KEVIN

No, that's a— it's a, it's a number that's baffling, mainly because— and, and It, it's crazy because some of the, some of the teams they've played have been moving the ball and then all of a sudden they get to 3rd down, it's just like nothing. Yeah.

CRAIG

So like for the, for the entire season right now, their opponents have a 20% chance of converting on 3rd down.

KEVIN

That's really bad.

CRAIG

That was, it's really bad. I mean, considering like the scores of some of the games, it's like, sure. Okay. Like unless you get a 1st down on 1st or 2nd, right? It ain't happening.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

And that's how these, that's the only way these guys are scoring.

KEVIN

Right. That's crazy.

CRAIG

Yeah, it's nuts.

KEVIN

Crazy.

CRAIG

So, like, you know, I'm excited. It's looking pretty good for my team. It's looking really good for your team. Like, I don't think they'll have any, even if they lose one, I don't think they're gonna have any problem winning the Big 12.

KEVIN

No, no, I don't think so either.

CRAIG

At this point. I mean, I don't, I mean, like, unless BYU, I mean, just does something miraculous, which, I mean, like, if it's possible, but because it's not likely. So if— okay, let me, let me ask you this because I don't know how the Big 12 works. Say Tech beats BYU. Yeah, but that's BYU's only loss and they're in second place in the Big 12. Would they play Tech for the championship?

KEVIN

They still could.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

Yeah, they still could.

CRAIG

So we could end up with like a Georgia-Alabama situation.

KEVIN

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's, it's, it's possible that that would happen. But because basically, basically there's a North and a South for, you know, lack of a better term.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

And so whoever wins the North is going to play whoever wins the South. Okay. And right now it could wind up being BYU and Tech. Um, for a while, uh, I thought it might be Iowa State. Mm-hmm. But Iowa State's just kind of sucked an egg.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Recently and has not done anything worthwhile. So, um, so yeah, but, but here's the thing. I mean, like we, we, so Tech goes to, uh, Arizona State next.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And then they've got Oklahoma State, which at home.

CRAIG

Oh gosh. Yeah, good luck, Cowboys.

KEVIN

Yeah, that's gonna be, yeah.

CRAIG

That's gonna be a nightmare for them. Well, not for Tech.

KEVIN

Oklahoma State is a dumpster fire. Yeah, that's a really kind way of putting it, 'cause it's bad. But anyway, then we go to—

CRAIG

Did you see the record that they set earlier this week?

KEVIN

No. I can't even imagine.

CRAIG

So my namesake, I was named after my dad's best friend, and his sister is is an aunt to me.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Uh, love her to death. She goes to pretty much every Oklahoma State game. Uh, super fan.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

She posted on Saturday, she goes, well, we did one thing good and it was they set the record for most shirtless guys in the stands.

KEVIN

Oh, I saw that. I did see that. I did see that.

CRAIG

And, and I take the wins where you can get 'em.

KEVIN

Yeah. What, what's really hilarious is I saw your mom posted something and she was like, well, we win the award for And I'm like, okay, congratulations. But yeah, that was weird.

CRAIG

Dude, have you, have you heard anything about who might be going there?

KEVIN

No. Well, I, I mean, yes, I have. Um, what I've heard is that, uh, Nick Saban has been touted as the person who, who may go. Uh, I just, I— Which, what's weird—

CRAIG

Crazy.

KEVIN

It would be crazy for a lot of reasons.

CRAIG

I would, I would think he would do it just to see if he could.

KEVIN

Well, but see, here's the problem. The reason that he left Alabama wasn't because he couldn't coach any longer. It wasn't because, you know, they didn't like him anymore. He was done with the NIL. He did not want to have anything to do with it. Well, guess what? College sports is NIL right now.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

It just is. And if he goes to OSU, what I'll tell you is that OSU has deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep pockets. And they probably have the money to do what it's going to take. But that means he would have to get in the middle of that again. And I don't think he wants to, because why would you when he's got a cush job talking about football? I mean, why would he change that? He doesn't need the money.

CRAIG

Well, no, I don't think he doesn't need notoriety. If he was— if he were to do it again, I don't think it would be for the money. I don't think it would be for the notoriety. I think he's the kind of person that looks at a challenge and goes, can I climb that hill?

KEVIN

Yeah, maybe.

CRAIG

That's the only reason I think he would do it.

KEVIN

It would— this is a mountain. This is not a hill.

CRAIG

Um, so I tell you one of the other names I heard, which I was like, oh gosh, Jimbo Fisher.

KEVIN

Of course.

CRAIG

Which, I mean, look, I did not like him at A&M. I didn't— I never liked that choice. I thought it was way too much money. I thought he was a flash in the pan at Florida State. Which it turned out he was. Um, but yeah, I mean, like, they could pro— they could probably get him pretty cheap. Yeah.

KEVIN

I just, I think that—

CRAIG

and you wanna, you wanna talk about somebody that could care less about NIL?

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

Oh, he'd play in that sandbox all day long.

KEVIN

Oh yeah, he would. I think so. The OSU thing is interesting. Number one, I haven't seen anything. I even heard that there was a rumor that Nick Saban was interested in the position. So I— well, I think that's interesting. It's been a while since I've heard anything about that. It's been weeks probably since I've heard anything about it.

CRAIG

Ever since you told me about it, I've been, I've been searching it from time to time. It's like, is there, is there like any meat on the bone here?

KEVIN

And I haven't, I haven't found much. I haven't found much either. But here's the thing, there have been so many coaches have been fired, including James Franklin. Like there's some pretty powerhouse people available out there that, who knows? I mean, maybe they'll, maybe they'll figure it out. But, um, yeah, I mean, Tech's only challenge right now moving forward, in my opinion, is BYU. And, uh, you know, they're probably gonna have to play them twice at this, at this point. Um, I will tell you, who was it? Um, There was a coach just the other day that was talking about that they, they just did really poor. Um, and he said something about, you know, it's one thing to lose to a team once, but if you lose to them twice, that's your

KEVIN

fault.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Um, so excuse me. Um, but so if Tech goes in, now BYU is playing at, um, at Tech. If BYU comes in and loses at Tech and then we play them again on a neutral field, of course BYU is gonna do their best at that point. But, um, I don't know, it's going to be a really, really interesting, interesting thing to come down to the wire. Uh, I, I think that frankly, I think Tech has a way better chance even than A&M just because of the schedule.

CRAIG

Oh yeah, for sure.

KEVIN

I mean, and, and I'll tell you that the, the worst part about being a Texas Tech fan right now is these schedules are planned out years in advance. So that really ridiculous pre-conference schedule that we had, it was planned out 5 years ago. And so, you know, it's awful. And then who would, who would predict that the Big 12 would be as bad as they are?

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

I mean, again, the Big 12 and the SEC, not the same, but I will tell you There are some good teams in the Big 12, and there have been good teams in the Big 12. You've got, you've got OSU that has been good for a long time. They're terrible. You've got TCU. TCU, who's been really good. They're not great. You've got Baylor, who's been really good.

CRAIG

West Virginia.

KEVIN

West Virginia has been really good. They're not great. K-State was touted to—

CRAIG

Oh, dude, K-State was dominant for years.

KEVIN

Yeah, they were touted to do unbelievable things this year. And they've just been terrible this year. So, and Utah has been a perennial powerhouse in their own conference, and they moved over to the Big 12, and that's been a boost. But it's still one of those deals. It's like we just don't have the competition that the SEC does. And I know that the SEC fans are like, oh, Big 12 sucks. And it is what it is.

CRAIG

Here's a scenario I want you to run in your head. Let's say A&M runs the table.

KEVIN

Okay, that'd be impressive.

CRAIG

I'm, I'm not, I'm not saying they win the SEC Championship.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Pre-SEC Champion, if they run the table, obviously they're playing the SEC Championship.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Um, if they run the table, yep, before the SEC Championship, will they be ranked number 1 going into that game? Um, I mean, looking at Ohio's schedule, looking at Miami schedule, um, Indiana.

KEVIN

They—

CRAIG

I mean, because that's the 3 sitting in front of them, and I don't know that any of those 3, maybe Miami, has any kind of a schedule that looks like what A&M has.

KEVIN

So they've—

CRAIG

and that's, that's a big, that's a big thing in the, in the consideration for the—

KEVIN

Oh, it's a huge thing. It's a huge thing. And I, and I—

CRAIG

Because like down the stretch right now, I mean, like, I mean, this, this Saturday it's Arkansas. But we still have Missouri at home.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

LSU at home.

KEVIN

Uh-huh.

CRAIG

Texas at home.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And if, if those 3 are still ranked when we play them, yep. I don't know of any other team in the top 4 that are gonna be playing that many ranked opponents.

KEVIN

No, I mean, right now, I mean, LSU's sitting at number 10, Missouri's sitting at number 16, and Missouri almost beat Alabama. Um, I, I, I still think it's gonna be a tough sled. for A&M to run the table. I still think—

CRAIG

Oh, I agree.

KEVIN

That's going to be very difficult. I'm not saying that it's not doable.

CRAIG

No, I'm not advocating that I think they're going to do it. If they did. If they did.

KEVIN

If they did, and if OSU also— oh, now we're talking to Ohio State. Um, we're in the Big 12. OSU is Oklahoma State. Uh, if it's OSU, Ohio State, and they went out as well.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

I would personally advocate that A&M should be in the number 1 spot because of the strength of schedule.

CRAIG

Yeah. I don't want that, by the way.

KEVIN

Well, I, I know that's a target in a lot of ways, but I just, I think that I feel like they get, I mean, like number 4 is a plenty big enough target right now. Oh yeah.

CRAIG

Anybody in, I mean, Anybody in the top 10?

KEVIN

Anybody in the top 10? I mean, you want to talk about like right now, the only thing anybody in the Big 12 is talking about is being a spoiler. Yeah, that's the only thing anybody's talking about. BYU may be the exception. Everybody else is like, how can we spoil Texas Tech right now?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And, and that's it. They're sitting at number 7. Uh, Texas A&M's the same way.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

I mean, here's the truth, at the SEC Wanted and probably needed, but really wanted A&M and OU in their conference. They also obviously wanted Texas, but they want— they— A&M's been there longer, but they wanted these 2 teams in there, and Texas too. Texas should be better than they are. They wanted these 3 teams in. They didn't want them to come in and win.

CRAIG

No, no.

KEVIN

Okay, like they wanted them to come in and up their status.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

They still wanted Georgia and Alabama to be the dominant, the dominant, maybe even Tennessee from time to time. But they— Georgia and Alabama are the workhorses in that, in that conference. And A&M coming in and like making waves is like, who are you?

CRAIG

Yeah. Yeah. No, really. You know, well, not only that, I mean, they don't have to play Alabama and they don't have to play Georgia this year unless one of them makes it to the SEC championship. Which they won't have to play Alabama.

KEVIN

Right. And right now that doesn't seem like that's gonna be the case.

CRAIG

No.

KEVIN

I mean, who knows? But it doesn't seem like that's gonna be the case.

CRAIG

Yeah. I don't, I don't, I honestly don't know who's gonna be.

KEVIN

I don't either.

CRAIG

Who's gonna be making that game. So anyway, I don't either.

KEVIN

I'll tell you this, y'all are playing Arkansas this coming week.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

Um, at Arkansas. Mm-hmm. And Petrino's back.

CRAIG

I know.

KEVIN

They're still Arkansas. Please, look, you know my— you know, it's funny. Your wife said to me, uh, the other day, she goes, how are you and Craig friends? And I'm like, because of the A&M thing. And I was like, I honestly don't know. But what I do know is that despite my, uh, disdain for A&M, I, I really want them to beat Arkansas. Every time. Every time.

CRAIG

And we do pretty consistently.

KEVIN

Well, yeah, and I mean, 'cause I lived in Arkansas for 10 years. And, um, I, you know, I love people in Arkansas dearly. I cannot stand Arkansas football.

CRAIG

Yeah. I just, I don't know if this is the first or the second year where it's not gonna be played at a neutral site though. Oh yeah.

KEVIN

Because y'all had that like 7-year deal, wasn't it?

CRAIG

Where Jerry World.

KEVIN

Jerry World.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And, uh, I don't know. I, I hate that kind of stuff. Like, to me, home field advantage is a deal. Like, I, if I were A&M, I'd want to play at Kyle Field every, every game.

CRAIG

Oh yeah. I mean, there is a distinct advantage, but like, would you rather play in Dallas or in Fayetteville?

KEVIN

Oh, well, if I had the choice, because that's home field advantage in Dallas.

CRAIG

That's what I'm saying. Now that I'm not, I'm not even like shying away from it. I'm not going to be like, oh no, it's close to the Arkansas border.

KEVIN

Like, I don't care.

CRAIG

No, I know, I know that it's friendly territory for A&M. And so like, dumb on Arkansas for making that deal. I'll take that deal all day long.

KEVIN

No, absolutely. And, and I would too. It's just, man, Kyle Field, man. I, I've, I've been there for multiple games in my life, and it is—

CRAIG

it—

KEVIN

I'll say it this way, Kyle Field is a force to be reckoned with. Yeah, it is a force to be reckoned with. I love all these memes that come out, like, after, after games. It's like Like, how dare, how dare A&M have such loud, like, fans? That should be illegal, right?

CRAIG

Yeah. It's 'cause you don't have 'em, right? No.

KEVIN

And it's, it's all, it's all satire, right? But it's, it's, it's just so funny. So now there's another thing that I think we should talk about real quick.

CRAIG

Uh-huh.

KEVIN

And that's the tortillas thing with Tech.

CRAIG

Oh, okay. Did they get penalized for that?

KEVIN

Uh, twice.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

Okay. So, so this is actually a really big deal and, and I, I know exactly where I stand on it. Um, and it is a— man, it is a weird tradition. No one fully— realistically, no one fully knows where the tradition came from.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

But throwing tortillas on kickoffs, especially specifically the opening kickoff, uh, has been a deal for a long, long time. And, um, so So the NCAA comes out with a new rule. You cannot throw stuff onto the field. And this came after, was it last year or the year before, in the national championship game where there were water bottles being thrown on the field and it was potential injury to the players and the coaches and the officials, all, everybody, right?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

So they made this rule and the first time that you get penalized for it. There is no enforcement. Mm-hmm.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

So it's just a zero, uh, zero yardage foul.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Okay. It's a warning. After that, every time is 15-yard penalty. Okay. So not one time. And, and this is, this is probably the thing that bothers me more than anything else about this rule.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

Not one time until this past Saturday has that been called on Texas Tech. And do you think they've been throwing tortillas? Heck yeah, they've been throwing tortillas. Hadn't been called yet, not even a warning. Mm-hmm. On Saturday, they get caught, they get called for the warning, and then they get called 2 more times for it. And who are they playing again? They're playing Kansas.

CRAIG

Kansas.

KEVIN

That's right. And I mean, at one point they wound up starting a drive on like the 10-yard line because of it. And they had a decent run back and then, you know, they get 15 yards, you know, push back on them. And so like, it's, it's, it's one of those things where, uh, the coach, Joey McGuire, has actually said, I'm totally fine if you throw tortillas on the first opening kickoff.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And I'm fine if we get a warning for it. Don't do it past that because it's— if you say you love this team, yeah, don't intentionally cause problems. Well, here's the crazy part. Did you see what happened after the game?

CRAIG

No.

KEVIN

So, um, Leopold, uh, Kansas coach, comes across for the customary handshake at the end of the game.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

And gets in Joey's face and starts cussing at him about, you need to get this under control. And Maguire comes back at him and basically says, you think I have any control over this? I'm gonna do everything I can. Get out of my face, basically.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And it is— it's blown up into this weird This weird deal. There's all these— I'll show you.

CRAIG

Why would the Kansas coach even care? It's getting him yardage.

KEVIN

Here's why. Because they— yes, it's giving them yardage, but their players are getting hit on the sideline with tortillas.

CRAIG

Who cares?

KEVIN

I, I'm not— I'm just telling you that's what he's upset about.

CRAIG

Grow up, dude.

KEVIN

Yeah. So, uh, I, I have to show you after, uh, after the show, some of the memes that have come out about like, uh, what's happened. It's really, really funny. But here's, here's my stance on it. And as a, as a Texas Tech fan, and I'll say this to every Texas Tech fan out there, stop throwing tortillas or throw them, throw them like at each other.

CRAIG

I don't know. Do whatever. Play the, play the slap.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

The tortilla slap game.

KEVIN

Whatever you gotta do. Throw them up. I don't know what you gotta do. Like throw them in the air. Make sure they don't come on the field after the first one. We don't need that type of stuff, man. Like we, we don't have time for that. Okay. So Uh, stop penalizing your own team just because you— I don't know, it's become a thing bigger and bigger and bigger. It's like, you know how it is, like things get bigger and bigger and bigger until they have to get squashed. They're about to have to get squashed.

CRAIG

Well, don't you think, like, I mean, if, if you're a good fan for the opposing team, wouldn't you just bring like a 50-count?

KEVIN

Okay, so this is the other problem. You, you have hit a weird nail on the head that has really like swept into the conversation now.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Because I actually saw someone, uh, from— it was an Oklahoma State, uh, person actually that said, when we come to— when we come to Tech, we're just gonna bring tortillas, bring as many tortillas as we can.

CRAIG

Why wouldn't you?

KEVIN

And, and that's— this, this is the flaw with the penalty because like, how do you know who's throwing stuff on the field?

CRAIG

I mean, I guess you have a replay, but—

KEVIN

Well, that's— I mean, I guess, but, but here's the Here's the answer to that. From what I understand, mm-hmm, is it is incumbent upon the home team to keep it from happening.

CRAIG

So they need to like be checking for firearms, knives, and tortillas.

KEVIN

And tortillas. And I, I mean, yeah, why would you not?

CRAIG

The concessions aren't selling tacos.

KEVIN

Right, exactly. Like, why would you not try to sabotage that?

CRAIG

You absolutely should.

KEVIN

You should. And it, it, it's a problem. I, I, I'm just saying it's a problem. So Uh, there, there needs to be something happen. I don't know what, what it is.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

But I will tell you this, we actually— so a few weeks ago when we went, um, I was not thinking. Uh, and I— we just were walking in trying to get to our seats and everything, and we had brought some tortillas with us. And, uh, we— they were just in our bag and they got confiscated. So like, people are shoving these things down their, their pants, first of all. Like, you just need to understand, y'all, like, when you're getting hit in the back of the head with a tortilla right now, that was in someone's pants. Like, I don't know where else they're putting them in order to squander—

CRAIG

Nowhere you want to be touched.

KEVIN

Exactly. So anyway, it's a, it's a weird thing. And anyway, there, there goes my rant.

CRAIG

So— Oh goodness.

KEVIN

Anyway, we got more to talk about though. And, and this is actually, uh, good old, uh, Katie Potato.

CRAIG

Well, I mean, you want to do that or you want to do the stimulus?

KEVIN

Oh yeah, let's talk about that. All right, so here's the deal. Um, I think I showed this to you and you were like, you've got to be kidding me. So there have been numerous reports out there that Americans are going to get another stimulus check in October.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

And the stimulus check, what's crazy is that there are reports everywhere from like, like $1,200 all the way up to $2,000 per per, uh, per taxpayer, uh, in your household. So, you know, could be up to $4,000. And they're also saying, again, this is the challenge with, with the reports that have been out there, is some I saw were Social Security funded, and then some I saw were IRS funded, and those are not the same thing. And then on top of that, they're saying, oh, well, it's happening because of all the tariffs. So, so Trump has made, you know, all these tariffs, and they've got something like multiple bill— $2 or $3 billion off of tariffs. And, and Trump's like, oh,

KEVIN

we should give that back to the American people. Well, guess who paid for all those tariffs to begin with?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

The American people buying the stuff from overseas. But There's all kinds of reports out there. They're all over the place. Um, here's the thing that I just read today. It came out today at 6:17 PM. It was, uh, on Yahoo News. And it basically says that it's been, uh, confirmed. I say confirmed according to, uh, a few different sources. These rumors are false. The claims are false.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

The IRS has not confirmed that this is going to happen. Social Security has definitely confirmed that it's not happened. The only thing they're saying is back in July, Trump has said the most important thing is paying down our debt, but we're also considering this, and people ran with it.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And now we're getting all these reports that, oh, it's coming in October. The problem— here's where the the, the problem really happens. It's when people that are scammy.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And fraudulent step in and start sending people fake checks. You know what I mean? Like, there, there's gonna be some way that people are gonna try to, uh, scam you out of this or like enter in, all you gotta do is go to this website and enter in your bank account information and we'll send you, we'll direct deposit the money, you know, that sort of thing. Like, I guarantee this kind of stuff is gonna happen.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And I guess the thing that I want everybody to know is nothing has been confirmed. I doubt this is gonna happen, but it's out there. If you've heard about it, do your research. I mean, I, that's all I ever, I know nobody from Trump's office called me and told me this information.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

I'm just doing my research. And I'm, I'm seeing stuff come across. So have you, have you heard anything different than that?

CRAIG

I mean, I, I read on a Fortune article that he mentioned it on, it was One America News.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Apparently it's like a far-right news channel or something like that.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

In like an interview he gave and that he was speculating that he could send out stimulus checks around $1,000 to $2,000. I don't know if that's per household or per individual. If it's per individual, that's crazy. Yeah, nobody knows actually. But like, there's no specificity around it. I mean, like, honestly, it, it could be one of those things that's sensationalized just because, you know, Trump is notorious for like floating these ideas and then reading the polling data, right, and seeing how popular they are, right? You know, that kind of thing. I imagine that's what's going on here.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Um, because I mean, now there's like all these articles around, one's from Fox 5, it's like a local, but it was today. And it's like, no, this is not a thing. There's no federal stimulus. And these are direct deposits from IRS, like what would happen before.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And the last one was $1,400 in 2021.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Yeah. So it's saying earlier this month, viral post claimed that a $1,702 stimulus payment was on the way. Those posts appeared to reference Alaska's Permanent Fund dividend, which is a yearly payment to eligible residents funded by state mineral revenues. It's a totally different thing. Yeah. So this— and then it goes on to say the IRS has repeatedly warned taxpayers to watch for phishing attempts tied to pandemic-era stimulus programs.

KEVIN

There you go.

CRAIG

Scammers may use email, text messages, website, or social media to request money or personal information. And so like, yeah, Trump talked about it on a news network, but he says a lot of crap.

KEVIN

He does.

CRAIG

That has nothing to do with reality.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

You know, and sometimes he just says stuff just to rile other people up. And there's lots of reasons he says the things that he says. Sometimes it's 'cause I think he's crazy. Sometimes it's because he's just messing with people. I mean, he's a troll. He is, 100%. So, you know, I don't think this is a real thing. Do I think it could be a real thing eventually? Yeah, could be. Yeah, could be. Yeah. Um, you know, like, look, it's, it's an under— to me, it's an unethical way to win loyalty from the populace. Sure. I don't like it.

KEVIN

I don't either.

CRAIG

I don't like it. No. Um, I don't, I don't like the idea. I didn't like it during COVID I didn't either. Um, and I don't like it now.

KEVIN

Well, a lot of people got, uh, you know, kind of Um, screwed is the easiest way to put it in that they took these stimulus checks, bought all the stuff. They, he literally said, go spend it on TV. Like, go, yeah, go spend the money. And then guess what? You're paying taxes on that. Mm-hmm.

CRAIG

You, you, you, that was income and it was, it was completely trackable because it came from the IRS.

KEVIN

That's exactly right. And so you now had to pay taxes on that. And a lot of people didn't think about that before they went and just went to spend it all. Yeah, of course.

CRAIG

So yeah, I'm— I just, I don't like it for a multitude of reasons. Whether or not I think it's gonna happen is a totally different story. And really, like, I wanna hear all the, you know, ins and outs of what they're— is it individual-based? Is it home-based? And if it's based off of household, do you get additional money for additional children? I mean, like, because this is how— this is how stimuluses work.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

I mean, like, there's all sorts of, Moving parts and pieces, but like you start talking about, like let's just run the numbers real quick. All right, real quick. How many households in the U.S.?

KEVIN

Let's do this a little bit different.

CRAIG

Okay, as of 2025, there are approximately 128 million households. In the US. Okay. Right.

KEVIN

Hang on.

CRAIG

Great. Hang on. Okay. So if it was by household and it was just $2,000 each, we're talking about $256 billion. Does this seem like a good idea?

KEVIN

Well, no, because on top of it, he said we've made $2 to $3 billion on tariffs. So the number does— the math doesn't math.

CRAIG

This is not mathing.

KEVIN

No, it doesn't, doesn't work that way.

CRAIG

So like, we can't do that.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

We shouldn't do that. Never in a million years should we do that.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

Like, use it to pay off the US's frickin' debt.

KEVIN

That's it. That's it.

CRAIG

I mean, that's, that's why we said that we were gonna do it in the first place anyway.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

Is because One, like, we were paying— we were paying too little for the, the, the products that were coming in the US, which was squeezing our, our manufacturing and our production, and we wanted to increase jobs in the US. And so we wanted to level the playing field. I'm all for that.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

I'm not a big fan of tariffs, but if we have to do that in order to, you know, bolster the American working person, Right. Let's do it.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

And let's do it until they say mercy.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

I'm here for it.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

But if we're just gonna then take that money and just redistribute it, and then on top of it, pay billions that we didn't have anyway to give it back to the American people, that, that, that makes no sense to me.

KEVIN

No. This is— it, it feels like money laundering.

CRAIG

Again, this is— and I, and I know, like, like, if, if there's nothing else that I know that Donald Trump understands, I know he understands money.

KEVIN

Oh yeah.

CRAIG

And it's like, there's no way that this is like a serious thing.

KEVIN

No way.

CRAIG

I mean, so I, I, you know, I hope it's not a real thing. Let me put it that way. I can't be in that guy's brain.

KEVIN

Well, no, don't want to.

CRAIG

Nobody can.

KEVIN

Uh, I don't expect a stimulus check.

CRAIG

Uh, yeah.

KEVIN

That's, that's the biggest thing.

CRAIG

You want a stimulus check? Go out and work your butt off.

KEVIN

Right. I mean, look, that's the most stimulus you're gonna get. Just real. I, I'll, I'll just say it. Um, it's not that much money.

CRAIG

No.

KEVIN

I— $1,000, it's not that much money. $2,000 is not that much money. If you double that because of house— let's, let's say you even— let's say if you, you've got 4, 4 people and it was the, the maximum amount they're talking about, it's $8,000. Not that much money. No. I mean, I, don't get me wrong. It's not, it, it's not a small amount of money. I'm not saying that either. It's not that much money.

CRAIG

No.

KEVIN

Like, get over it. Go make money or, or, or just do your job and budget better. I, I know things are expensive. I know they are.

CRAIG

The household, the household number is actually much more conservative than the individual number.

KEVIN

I'm sure it is.

CRAIG

I mean, you wanna talk about some crazy numbers?

KEVIN

Ugh. The number, the number of people that actually live in those households. I, I mean, I, even if you just did it based on adults, even if you just did it on based on adults, I, it, this is not an amount of money that we need to take away from the national debt. Mm-hmm. Just so that you can go buy a new TV.

CRAIG

It's just, it's, which, by the way, isn't stimulating doodah in the US because none of them are made here.

KEVIN

No, they're not.

CRAIG

Exactly. And so, but like everyone's gonna spend it on video games. Oh yeah. And televisions.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And all kinds of crap.

KEVIN

Yeah. A vacation.

CRAIG

Who knows?

KEVIN

I, I'm, I'm, I'm not opposed to any of those things. And I know that, that life has gotten expensive. Gas is expensive. Food is outrageous.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

Like, and, and like now you got everybody's gluten-free. So now like things are more expensive. And, you know, cars, oh my goodness. Good luck buying a car if you need a car. Like, they're, they're unbelievably expensive. Uh, mortgage is expensive. Interest rates are expensive. Everything is expensive. I get it. I understand. I'm there with you. I am not a millionaire. So I'm not making millions of dollars every single year. When I say millionaire, that's what I mean. I don't mean people that have a million dollars. I mean, people are making millions of dollars.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

Um, I, I'm not that guy.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

I, I, neither are you yet. We're not there. We want to be there. But here's the thing.

CRAIG

Again, the difference between have and make.

KEVIN

Yeah. It's a whole different thing. And so I think that we have to just be careful of just going, oh, please someone hand me money. You know what that leads to? Uh, you can go live in another country if you want to. Some, you know, communist countries that they— you, you want what they're going to give you, that's where you go.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

We don't want that. Don't bring that here. Stop it. Just stop it.

CRAIG

Smack them.

KEVIN

Yeah, exactly.

CRAIG

Squirt them with the water bottle. Stop.

KEVIN

Stop it. You've seen that. You've seen that Bob Newhart skit, right? Stop it. Stop it.

CRAIG

So good. So speaking of commies.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Dude, the videos that are circulating with this Katie Porter woman are fantastic.

KEVIN

Oh, I'm not— I, I'll admit, if you don't know who Katie Porter is, neither did I. So you're not behind the 8-ball.

CRAIG

But we don't have them to show, by the way.

KEVIN

But, well, there's a couple of reasons why we don't have them to show. We— one, one of them might not be too bad. The other one's got profanity in it. But yeah, just Google her name. Katie Porter. K-A-T-I-E Porter. Or just Katie, California congresswoman.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And you'll get all you need to know.

CRAIG

I love, I love Carolla's pet name for her, which is Katie Potato. Potato. Which Apparently. So if you haven't seen it, one, like, she is just dumbfounded as to a reporter asking her basic questions.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And I watched, I watched the whole interview because, like, most of it that's circulating right now are just clips.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

I watched the whole interview and it's, it's this woman who's a local political reporter in California. I mean, for those of you that know, Katie Porter is attempting to run for governor of California. She's been a congresswoman. Long time, and is not pleasant.

KEVIN

Well, but she— but let's just say up until this happened, she was like roughly at 40% to be the next—

CRAIG

yeah, 40% chance, which was the highest, the highest rank among potential candidates.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

So, but there's just so much about it that's just fantastic.

KEVIN

Oh, yeah.

CRAIG

So this This reporter woman is essentially pointing out that there's 60% of Californians that vote Democrat and 40% that vote Republican.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And she is asking her, do you think that you're going to need any of that 40% in order to win the governorship?

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

And she's like, I don't understand this question. Why would I need the 40%? It's like— and then the reporter pushes back and says, well, I mean, 40% of the state actually voted for Trump last time. Do you think you're gonna need any of those people in order to win governor?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And then like, it just becomes like this weird, like, I don't understand this question. It feels like you're being really argumentative, unnecessarily argumentative.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And she's like, no, this is the same question I've asked everybody.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And like, which she had.

KEVIN

It's a basic question.

CRAIG

It's a basic question.

KEVIN

And what would it have hurt for her to say, yeah, I think it would be great if I could—

CRAIG

Nothing.

KEVIN

Nothing.

CRAIG

Nothing.

KEVIN

Nothing.

CRAIG

Like any, any person with any sort of common sense can go, yeah, anytime you can reach across the aisle and pull people over to your side.

KEVIN

Exactly.

CRAIG

Fantastic.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Which is exactly what Trump did this time.

KEVIN

And she probably would have followed up with— this is what she didn't like. She probably would have followed up with, what are your tactics? What do you think you're going to do to be able to do that?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And what she literally said was, I'm not going to answer 9 follow-up questions to your actual question.

CRAIG

Yeah. Not if I'm going to have to do this.

KEVIN

But not—

CRAIG

yeah. And then because she had said, I'm leaving. Yeah, I'm leaving. I don't want to do this anymore.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

It just got too tough. Yeah. Too hard.

KEVIN

She literally said, I'm done. Cut the interview.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And she was like, what? Wait, so you're not going to answer the rest of the questions? She was like, well, not if it's going to be like this. I'm not going to answer 9 questions to your follow-up.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Their follow-up questions. It's like, what? Why?

CRAIG

Yeah. Well, I mean, the reporter actually brings her, like, keeps her there for a while and says, well, tell you what. I'm gonna ask the questions. If there's any of them that you don't wanna answer, just say you don't wanna answer them, and that'll tell us everything we need to know. Yeah.

KEVIN

It will. Yeah.

CRAIG

You know, and, and so, which was a great tactic on her part. And sure, the reporter was fantastic.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

And I, like, I don't even think the reporter's like a conservative or a liberal or anything. She's just doing her thing. Yeah. And like, was just dumbfounded that this person was like, well, you don't wanna answer these simple questions? So the other one is her yelling at an, an aide in the background to get out of her effing shot.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

when she's like prepping for like some interview or something. And the poor girl is really just trying to help her by correcting her on some information that she just said that was incorrect.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But the greatest one, I assume it's a transcript from a deposition regarding a divorce.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Where apparently she was making some potatoes. in a ceramic bowl. And the husband came along and apparently was not too happy with the way she was making said potatoes in front of their son, by the way. And I don't think either one of them behaved very well in this exchange, but said, can't you read the effing instructions? To which her response was to pick up the bowl of potatoes and dump it on his head that was scalding hot and burned his head.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And it's like, okay, so now we're getting all this information about this woman that— and it's— she's an all-star.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

She's—

KEVIN

which is why she's being called Katie Potato.

CRAIG

Katie Potato. Well, and so then we watched, then we watched the numbers that have come out. So since the video of the interview came out, the search result, the search engine, uh, hits for Katie Porter have gone up 10,000%.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And she went from a 40% favorable rate to a 16% favorable rate. And there was a guy, and I don't even remember his name. There was another candidate.

KEVIN

He was— it doesn't matter.

CRAIG

He was, he was at 10% favorability, not even running.

KEVIN

Not even running.

CRAIG

And now he's almost at 30%. And then it's like this correlation between her dive bombing to her political death and this guy just ascending from nothing.

KEVIN

From nothing. And probably for nothing, because he's probably still not going to run.

CRAIG

And he might, he might be taking a look at it now. He's like, I hadn't said a stinking thing and I'm at 30%. I'm right. Let's take a run at this thing. All I gotta do is not that. Right.

KEVIN

I can do not that.

CRAIG

I can do not that. I can answer a question or two.

KEVIN

That's right. 9 if possible.

CRAIG

Well, and look, this, I think this is important for us to be talking about. One, because like, again, the people that you elect to represent you are important.

KEVIN

They are.

CRAIG

They're the ones that are gonna be ratifying the laws in your state and actually making policy decisions about HOAs in Florida. Not this lady. No. But, you know, one, because she's Californian, and two, I don't think she's getting elected. No, probably not. But like, but these people matter.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And I, I can imagine there's some people in Florida right now looking at that state rep going like, that guy's a moron.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Or they're looking at him like, yeah, that's my guy. He's gonna try and get rid of HOAs.

KEVIN

Mm-hmm.

CRAIG

You know, but like, that's why it's important to understand what these people stand for. what their character looks like. Right. And like this, this lady.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Like if California picks her still.

KEVIN

Oh my goodness.

CRAIG

Like, like seriously, that if, if that were to happen, like Gavin Newsom is at least tolerable as a human being.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Like, like on a personal level, like, right. Like I can, I could see myself having a conversation. I can have a cocktail with Gavin Newsom.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Like, I don't agree with him on just about anything, but I got to hang out with that guy.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

I am never hanging out with this woman.

KEVIN

No, no, no. It would be the most head-in-the-sand election ever. People literally burying their head in the sand and go, I will only vote for a Democrat. She's the one.

CRAIG

I mean, because you know how that looks when you go to the voting booth. This is totally possible, though.

KEVIN

It is.

CRAIG

She has political standing. She's been a congresswoman for a long time.

KEVIN

I know.

CRAIG

And when Gavin Newsom was going through his stuff with COVID where he got caught red-handed, no mask, out at a restaurant, French Laundry.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

And then they recalled him.

KEVIN

Uh-huh.

CRAIG

And Larry Elder ran against him. Uh-huh. They still voted him in.

KEVIN

I know.

CRAIG

After they recalled him.

KEVIN

I know.

CRAIG

It was like a slap on the hand and then like, who cares? We're sorry.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

We didn't mean to do that. But like, just so you know, we saw.

KEVIN

We saw. Because I— well, you know how it is whenever you go to the the polls. I mean, you see names. Mm-hmm. And beside that, like, well, and, and depending on what, what race it is, you literally select Republican or Democrat. Yeah. You, you, you select your party and then you can literally just vote for everyone that's on the top in that party.

CRAIG

I, I have to imagine, cuz like in Texas we have a lot of, um, libertarian candidates that run.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And, and some, a lot of 'em get elected.

KEVIN

They do.

CRAIG

You know, they tend to align more with Republicans than just about anything. But like when it comes to like small town races, small city races, county races, there's a lot of Libertarians that run.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

I can imagine that there's quite a few Green Party candidates in California.

KEVIN

I would think so.

CRAIG

Especially at the local level. I would think so. So I mean, like, it's not like there's not other parties.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But like, I was listening to something the other day. Oh, what country was it? It may have. It may have been hungry. I'll I'll search this here in a second just to make sure, just to fact checks myself. But like, let's just do it real quick. Hang on. There's a better way to ask this.

KEVIN

This is what we call good radio.

CRAIG

That's right. It's late night.

KEVIN

Embrace the silence.

CRAIG

Okay. Okay. India has the most, and I don't think it was India, but it could be. India has over 2,000 registered political parties in the country.

KEVIN

What?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Oh my goodness.

CRAIG

And so they've, they've had to— I mean, because it's still like a pseudo-democracy, people elect their officials there. In countries like that, and I think Hungary's one of the other ones where they had like 20 or something like that.

KEVIN

Wow.

CRAIG

They've had to devise ways in order to decide who gets, who gets the seat.

KEVIN

Yeah, because you can't have 20 people, I mean, 200 people on a ballot. I mean, I guess you could, but like, at what point do you know anything about anybody?

CRAIG

This is the problem is like, if you just pick the one with the most, then you end up with someone who only got like 5% of the popular vote.

KEVIN

Right, you have no—

CRAIG

So you have like, you have someone, and someone was, oh, that's where I heard about this, is Israel is one of the countries, let's see, how many political parties in Israel? If you spell right, you'll get a better answer. As of 2025, Israel has around 20 to 30 political parties registered for elections.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

So, and the reason I heard this, it was I was listening to an interview with a CIA whistleblower, and he was talking about the problems in Israel and why Bibi Netanyahu is still in charge. And part of the reason is because there's 20 or 30 political parties, and so he can win with only like 20% of the vote where 80% of Israel can't stand him. But, but because his is the one that's hated the least, right, out of the 20 or 30, he can still, he can still run. And part of the reason they were talking about that is because, you know, he's under indictment.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

And they were talking about how he's incentivized, even though, like, we just had a peace deal between Trump and Hamas and Israel. they were talking about how Bibi had been incentivized to keep this war going because as long as the war was going, he wasn't having to deal with his indictment.

KEVIN

Interesting.

CRAIG

Yeah. And I mean, I know nothing about it beyond that. I'm not making like a statement about Israel or any of that kind of stuff. It was just like, this is the facts, right? As long as the war is going on, he doesn't have to deal with an indictment. Right. Which is just a reality.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But, like, part of the reason he's in charge is because he hasn't really had to be that popular.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And so this is a problem that Israel has where they have too many political parties. And this is something we talk about in the US. It's like, we have a problem. We only have 2 political parties. And it's like, yeah, but it makes elections kinda, like, nice and neat.

KEVIN

It makes it easy.

CRAIG

So, yeah.

KEVIN

It does. Well, man, there's a, there's a lot of weirdness out there. And we're just here to help you try to sort through any of it. Yeah.

CRAIG

We, uh, while laughing at Katie Patati.

KEVIN

Little Katie Patati. Uh, thank you guys for, uh, for joining us today, and we hope you've enjoyed, uh, what you're listening to. If you do, please like and subscribe and tell your friends about it. Uh, we'd love to jump up in front of Duck Dynasty again.

CRAIG

Yeah. Uh, you know, stick it to those Robertson boys.

KEVIN

That's exactly right. We like them, but, uh, still we want to beat them. Yeah.

CRAIG

And we're better.

KEVIN

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