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This episode of the Homeowner's Show tackles a tricky refrigerator repair with a surprise twist, sharing valuable lessons about appliance parts and the importance of having the right tools. We also dive into common ice maker problems and the challenges of plumbing repairs, highlighting why proactive home maintenance is key. Plus, we celebrate the incredible life and legacy of the one and only Dolly Parton, sharing favorite songs and reflections on her lasting impact.

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KEVIN

This is episode number 358 of The Homeowner Show. Whether you're DIY or looking to hire, we're here to help you find the best information and options for you and your home. My name is Kevin Hackett. Here with me is Craig Williams.

CRAIG

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to The Homeowner Show. We are so glad that you could join us for another live episode here in the studio. How you doing, Kev?

KEVIN

Man, I honestly, I'm doing great. Uh, but I, I gotta, I got a couple of things that I have to tell you about. Okay.

CRAIG

Tell me.

KEVIN

Number one, the refrigerator saga that we thought was completely over.

CRAIG

Uh-huh.

KEVIN

Is not, was not completely over.

CRAIG

Was not completely over.

KEVIN

So here's, here's—

CRAIG

You had a few tricks to pull.

KEVIN

Well, yeah, because here's, here's what was happening. Everything was like, it's cooling perfectly, except that it's cooling too much on the refrigerator side.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

It's freezing the, the refrigerator.

CRAIG

No good.

KEVIN

And I've been trying to figure out what is happening. What is happening? Why is this happening? I was, I had the temperature setting on the refrigerator as high as it would go, which was 48 degrees.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

And it would, freeze still, like get down to like 20, in the 20s, in the mid-20s even.

CRAIG

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

KEVIN

And so I got to thinking about—

CRAIG

Little nippy for the, uh, the sodas.

KEVIN

Well, yeah, I mean, I had a couple bust on me, you know. So like, uh, I got to thinking about something that the AI that I was using early on said to me, and I got to thinking, hmm, I wonder about that. So It said you should have— the damper should have it— maybe it's stuck in the open or the closed position, something like it's— that's why it's cooling the freezer too much and the refrigerator isn't cooling at all. The damper is closed.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And I was like, it can't do that. It's, it's, uh, like a, a free-flowing flap. There's no motor that, that opens it or closes it. And I was like, really? That Huh, that's interesting. Prove it to me. Like, take some pictures. So I took some pictures. I was like, no, it's not. It's just a flap. And when air blows into it, it opens. When air isn't blowing into it, it closes. I got thinking about that. And I thought, I wonder why that is. And so I went on the GE website and looked at like those explosion pictures of all the parts. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. that part for the damper, and something interesting happened. It said part no longer

KEVIN

available, replaced with this part. Oh, and the replacement part has a motor and has a motorized damper.

CRAIG

So your refrigerator had a recall?

KEVIN

Okay, I— of some sort, but I don't really know what that was like at all. But here's the thing. I'm, I'm in my mind, I'm like, I'm going, okay. But there is a, there's a wiring harness and it plugs into the actual, that, that damper plugs into this wiring harness and it's got a light and the thermistor on it. But it's a 9-plug harness, but that's only 4 plugs.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

Only 4, uh, wires. And I was like, well, that's a problem. It's gotta get wired all the way back to the board. So I took the, I unplugged it from the wiring harness. It's completely wired in that harness.

CRAIG

What does that mean?

KEVIN

All the plugs had wires in them.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

I'm like, but only, there's 9 in the plug, but we're only using 4. The others were wired.

CRAIG

For what?

KEVIN

I don't know. It came from the factory that way.

CRAIG

Huh. And so I went, is it like an over-engineered—

KEVIN

like, I've done a lot of thinking about this, Craig.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

And here's what I think it is. You know whenever you have multiple models of something?

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

And sometimes they use the same part on all of them? Yes. I think that's what happened.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

I think that there was a model of this, and it may not be the same refrigerator. It may be a completely different refrigerator that they're using that same harness on. They're like, well, I'm not gonna make another harness.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

You know what I mean? Like, that would be when I can just use this one and not just put it— if it doesn't have any wires to it, it's just not gonna work. So I also got to thinking, okay, what if 'Cause I put a new board in. What if that new board expects the updated part?

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And maybe the old board—

CRAIG

Didn't?

KEVIN

Didn't.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And therefore the old board may have used a variable speed on the motor of the fan.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And the new one doesn't because it's not— doesn't need to. So this was the most expensive part I've purchased because there's not an aftermarket part for it.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

So it was $130.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

Just for this damper. I've only spent $140 to this point on this entire thing.

CRAIG

So you've doubled your investment.

KEVIN

I've doubled the investment. And I was like, what are the chances this works?

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

I'm putting wires where there were no wires before. It's a, it's a 5-minute swap. There's 3 screws, super simple. I plugged it back in. It also has the light in it. Put the light in it, came on, uh, plugged the fridge in, and that damper works. It automatically opens and closes based on the temperature setting, and my fridge is working Swimmingly.

CRAIG

Oh, so $270.

KEVIN

$270, and I have replaced the control board, the, uh, thermistor in the freezer, the AC, uh, the, the, uh, thermostat in the freezer, the defrost heater, the fan motor, and the damper, which includes a new thermistor as well. For $240. Except for the coil, I literally have replaced everything except the coils and the ice maker, which we don't, we don't use the ice maker. It's just a garage fridge.

CRAIG

So I'm about to go down a similar road.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

So the main, the ice maker in my refrigerator is frozen shut.

KEVIN

Okay. You, and you've got a, like a side-by-side freezer on the bottom, ice maker in the top left corner. Ice maker in the top left corner. I've got the very same thing.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

And I, it's not frozen shut, but I'm having problems with it.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

I'm curious what you're thinking.

CRAIG

I, I don't, I don't know what the issue is. I, I haven't run it through the AI yet, but I know that it's a problem.

KEVIN

You know how to get it unfrozen though?

CRAIG

I have no idea.

KEVIN

Uh, it, it, First of all, you need to, you know, unplug it. I know because I've seen so many refrigerator videos at this point.

CRAIG

Uh-huh.

KEVIN

Um, I saw this very problem. You need to unplug the refrigerator and just let it thaw out. That's one way. The other way is you get a hair dryer.

CRAIG

So I, I, so little fib, I did run a little bit through AI.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And it was like, don't use a heat gun.

KEVIN

Don't use a heat gun, no. But a hair dryer and a heat gun are 2 very, very different things.

CRAIG

Yes, yes. So, but it was like, don't get too close because you don't wanna warp the plastic and all this kind of stuff. And I was like, ugh, this just doesn't sound like any fun.

KEVIN

No, but you can just turn it off and it'll thaw out.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

I mean, that's definitely a thing. And probably what's happening, there's, so does yours have the ice maker that you can like, from the, with it closed, you can get ice out?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Okay. So a lot of times what happens is the flap that lets the ice come out stays open a little bit. And so you either need to replace something right there or there's a couple of things that might need to happen.

CRAIG

But, um, well, I've also, so there's a couple of things going on with it. Like it seems to be working fine. I think I've told, I've told everybody about this before. Every once in a while, my son gets the sheet of ice.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

From the bottom of the freezer out. And it's like, it's like his favorite thing to do.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And he's so proud when he can get like the full sheet out.

KEVIN

So funny.

CRAIG

And just throw it.

KEVIN

So funny.

CRAIG

Um, so it's still doing that. Sure. So I think you're right. I think there's like a, a damper or something that's staying open.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

That's allowing moisture.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

In there. That's just, and it's just got, you know, progressively gotten further open. more and more down the line.

KEVIN

Yeah. So these, I will tell you, these fridge models like you and I have, they've been quickly replaced by other things because they suck. Like mine, mine actually has a similar problem that, but mine is melting and refreezing and that's where you're getting it frozen shut. I'm I'm recognizing it before it freezes shut. And, and I'm able to take it out and like thaw some things out and, and, and keep it going. But what's happened with a lot of these fridges is they've gone to either not putting them in at all, or the ice maker is in the, in the freezer department.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And what they'll do is in the fridge, they've actually got like a water jug that can come out.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

And you can just pour water out of it, or it's got like a spigot on it and you can like lift it up like a, like an igloo or something cooler. Sure.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And you can get water that way, but you have to open the door to get it done. They've, they've kind of gone— that model didn't really work well be— because you're putting the ice maker in the fridge.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

And it's just, you're, you're doing too much.

CRAIG

And I'm sure that, I'm sure the initial thought was like, oh, this is gonna be a more efficient way to keep the the regular refrigerator cooler more efficiently, right? Because we've got the ice maker right here.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

Um, but I think you're probably right. I think it was just like a poor design overall. Um, yep. But like, you also can't get like the square, uh, cocktail ice.

KEVIN

Nope.

CRAIG

You know, unless you put it in the freezer. That's right. And I think you and I are both fans of the, uh—

KEVIN

We are.

CRAIG

The cocktail ice.

KEVIN

Yes, we are.

CRAIG

Um, even though we just make it on our own with the the molds. Yeah, it would be way nicer if it just did it.

KEVIN

Those were awesome. That we, we got spoiled that one time.

CRAIG

I know, went to that Airbnb.

KEVIN

That was so cool.

CRAIG

I will go back to that Airbnb just for that refrigerator.

KEVIN

100%. It was actually nice too.

CRAIG

It was a nice one.

KEVIN

But, um, yeah, so that's okay. So that's one thing. The second thing is, so the— I've got a hose bib, um, on— so a spigot on outdoor spigot. That leaks.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

And it's a, so there's a couple different kinds of valves. There's a gate valve. Mm-hmm. That's the knob that you turn and turn and turn.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Uh, I hate those.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

Hate 'em. The other's a ball valve, so it's just a quarter turn, right?

CRAIG

I love the quarter turn.

KEVIN

That's what I love too. Well, I have 2 spigots, both gate valves. One of 'em, there's like a, a rubber seal in there and the gate like opens and closes. And if that seal doesn't, catch or if it's deteriorated, it'll just leak. Well, mine's leaking. So I'm like, I need to replace that. Below that is a shutoff to my entire house. Okay. And that's also a gate valve, broken. I cannot turn the water off to my house unless I turn it off at the well, at the well, which I can do. But that also turns the water off to my mother-in-law's house. So a little rude, a little rude. Um, so the— that needs to be replaced too. Well, it's a gate valve. I want to replace it with a, with a ball valve. I went and got all the parts to do this. I'm like, this is not a big

KEVIN

deal. Like, these are screw-on hose bibs. Not that big of a deal. Um, one thing I didn't have was any pipe wrenches.

CRAIG

Oh.

KEVIN

And I was like, I need some pipe wrenches.

CRAIG

Of course.

KEVIN

And I get to buy some if I do this. So Got all the parts. I'm like, this is gonna be awesome. Go over there and, uh, the, so the piping that goes into the house on the end of the hose bib, it's copper. But it's, it's got a regular screw-on hose bib. Put the pipe wrench on there, start to try to take that hose bib off. What do you think happened?

CRAIG

It broke? Didn't break.

KEVIN

I was going really slow, but the copper turned on me. Like, it, it twisted. It twisted. And I was like, duh, don't touch it because it'll break. And if it breaks, I'm screwed because I can't turn the water off here.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Like, you know, I can't— I would have to turn it off at the well. Like, it would be a problem. So, uh, I was so excited about doing this fix because I'm like, this is not a big deal. And I had to call a plumber and they're coming out tomorrow morning.

CRAIG

Oh no.

KEVIN

Now, now here's the thing. The other hose bib on the, uh, on the other spigot of my, like the other part of the house, it's steel pipe coming out.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

So here's what I'm gonna do. So the plumber that I use, they charge a, they charge a house call fee. It's $140. And then they charge you by job. So they don't charge you by hour.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

Um, which I think is fair. Because, I mean, it could be like, oh, this thing broke on me and it's gonna take 6 hours. I thought it was gonna take 1 hour.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

Well, if they do it by job, then they just kind of fix the job. I kind of, I think that's fair. So here's what's gonna happen. I'm gonna tell them, I need you to fix that whole mechanism where the water comes in. I'm gonna go do that one over there. If I screw it up, You were gonna do that one too.

CRAIG

You're gonna call you out of the bullpen.

KEVIN

That's exactly right. So anyway, another little thing that happened, but—

CRAIG

Oh geez.

KEVIN

Uh, anyway, so copper's kind of tricky. You have to— That's the thing. And, and I don't, I don't have the tools for that, nor do I have the expertise for that. And so I'm like, I'm just calling the plumber.

CRAIG

I, I mean, I've, I've done, I've done some copper work before. I'm like, I honestly, I, if I hadn't, if I hadn't gone into pest control, I think I would've made a fair, fairly good plumber.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, I do quite a bit of it and But like at the same time, I hate copper.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Can I do it? Yes. Do I want to do it? No.

KEVIN

No. And honestly, it's not the best anymore. I mean, there, there's no real— yeah, PEX is the way to go. What I— but I think they'll fix this with copper because I mean, it's just a— it's just a little piece.

CRAIG

There's no reason. Unless you just want to repipe your house.

KEVIN

And I don't. Obviously I don't. So I would— I mean, honestly, it would be great.

CRAIG

Repiping your house? Probably more affordable than you think. It's—

KEVIN

it is not too bad, and it's way more efficient.

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

Uh, it's, it's better. You don't have to worry about freezing pipes or any of that kind of stuff the same because it's—

CRAIG

I mean, for, for people buying an older home, which is sometimes a good way to go. Yeah. If you're looking to save some money, you can buy an older home, get it at a discount.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

One of the upgrades that you can do, and like, I I'm big on upgrades that you can't see because those are the ones that— those are the last ones that you want to make.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

And so I'm a big, I'm a big proponent of doing them on the front end. Like, if you're going to do it, just, just like get it off your plate and that way you don't have to worry about it anymore.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Repiping your house, if it's an older house, a really good investment.

KEVIN

Great investment. It is. Because I mean, if something happens, the, the problem is it's catastrophic if something happens, right? With PEX, you have way less opportunity for something like that to happen.

CRAIG

Yeah. The only, the only caveat to that, I would say, if your house is rodent infested with squirrels or rats or mice or anything like that, they'll chew through that. Oh, they'll chew through it like a—

KEVIN

they love PEX.

CRAIG

None other.

KEVIN

And then it's catastrophic either way.

CRAIG

Well, the problem is I've seen it to where they will chew through it just to that inner membrane. Oh. And then over time that pressure gives way. And so it'll turn into like a slow leak. that you don't notice.

KEVIN

Ouch.

CRAIG

And then before it— and so like, you, you, you know, you just sort of ignore it.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But then it can pop, and then you're like, what is happening in the ceiling of my bathroom?

KEVIN

And, and there's no— I like, I got rid of all the rodents.

CRAIG

Yeah. So it, you know, it's one of those things. I mean, like, sometimes you have like other issues that can cause bigger issues that you need to deal with first, right? But again, repiping the house with PEX, an older home. Yeah, especially look, if you have cast iron, get— get rid of it. For the love of God, get rid of it. Just get rid of it.

KEVIN

Yep, get rid of it.

CRAIG

So it was, it was good in the day.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

So, uh, we, we, we got a couple things we're going to go through, uh, tonight. We, we have a big announcement for the show.

KEVIN

Yeah, we do.

CRAIG

We want to go through.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, and then, uh, but also we want— we we don't want to step past acknowledging that someone that you and I are both a fan of, Dolly Parton, passed away today.

KEVIN

Oh, yeah.

CRAIG

Super sad.

KEVIN

Yeah. I mean, look, she was— so I don't know if you saw— did you see her nephew put out a statement?

CRAIG

I did.

KEVIN

I just saw that. That was so heartwarming. He was basically like, look, whether you wanted it or not, she was in your home. She was on your TV. She was probably in an old record or CD. somewhere. She may have— you may be the recipient of one of the 300 million books she gave away to children.

CRAIG

That's the one that's crazy to me.

KEVIN

It's crazy.

CRAIG

I mean, you can look at her theme park, you can look at her albums, you can look at her personal life and all that, but the books that she gave away, unbelievable. It's insane.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And if you were to ever watch Dolly Parton in a live interview, you wouldn't be like, there's a bookworm, right? But like, she cared so much that children had books.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

I don't even know if she was a big reader, but she knew how important it was to instill in children the ability and the love of reading.

KEVIN

She was a philanthropist at its best.

CRAIG

At her core.

KEVIN

Yes, at her core and at its best. Yeah, I just— she, she did so much for the world and just a genuinely good person. Loved God, loved people. She was a great person.

CRAIG

The thing I appreciate most about Dolly is she was unashamedly confident, which is something I think a lot of young women need to pay attention to. It didn't bother her that people thought one thing or another about her. She knew exactly who she was. She knew what she was about. She didn't care. about the way that she necessarily presented herself and what that caused people to think about her. She knew exactly who she was and what she was doing and why she was doing it.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

And she was going to have fun and enjoy life despite her commentators. Probably the best way to put that.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Because there's a lot of people that didn't think highly of her because of the way that she physically presented herself.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

And it's not shame on you. I mean, people are going to think what they're going to think based off the way you present yourself. I tell my kids that all the time. I mean, you give everybody the opportunity to think right off the bat what you want them to think about you by the way you present yourself. Right. But I mean, she was just such a light.

KEVIN

She was.

CRAIG

Do you have a favorite song?

KEVIN

Oh my goodness. No, I don't. Because The, the, for me, I mean, obviously her country was wonderful. She had some great gospel stuff.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And like, I don't know. I don't know that I could pick one, man. There's so many good ones.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Do you have one?

CRAIG

I do. Um, I mean, I think, I think most people, if they know that she wrote it, will go to like Unchained Melody. Yeah. Um, Which is—

KEVIN

and that's the other thing is, like, she wrote some stuff that she wasn't the main singer for. Right. She was a great artist and a great writer.

CRAIG

I mean, she was the first one to record that one, but Whitney Houston kind of took it to the stratosphere.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

But that was her song.

KEVIN

Yeah. I mean, for me— no, go ahead. You had options.

CRAIG

Yeah. So my favorite one was actually one of her more recent ones. She did a duet with Zach Williams. Oh, There Was Jesus.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And, and she honestly, like, she didn't sing a whole lot on it, and that's part of what I loved about it is like, he's, he's not that big of a name, but she loved the song.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And she killed it.

KEVIN

Yes, she did.

CRAIG

On, on the harmonies.

KEVIN

Yes, she did.

CRAIG

And like, and, and one of the few times I've seen where in a song the person who's singing backup was the star.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, and I— to me, that just spoke as to her personality so much. She didn't have to have the limelight. She just loved singing for sure. And but like just made that song. And it was a good song anyway.

KEVIN

Sure it was.

CRAIG

But like she made that song.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, and I, I, I mean, my daughter and I sing that song together all the time.

KEVIN

That's so good.

CRAIG

And such a good song.

KEVIN

I mean, I, I, I mean, obviously there, there's the, there's the, the go-tos, right? Like Jolene.

CRAIG

Sure. I mean, so my wife hates that song.

KEVIN

Does she?

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

So funny.

CRAIG

She doesn't hate Dolly Parton.

KEVIN

No, she just doesn't like the song.

CRAIG

She doesn't like Jolene, the song.

KEVIN

Yeah, I get that. 9 to 5.

CRAIG

That's also a great movie.

KEVIN

Yeah, so good. So, I mean, there's those go-tos, and I would say all those are great. And I would— I like Jolene even. I know someone named Jolene, and I'm like, you must hate that song. She doesn't, though. She actually likes it because everyone sings it to her, right? I don't know. Just a sad situation. I mean, she wasn't that old, but she had some health issues there at the end.

CRAIG

She was 80.

KEVIN

She was 80.

CRAIG

I mean, which today doesn't seem that old, but it is. It is.

KEVIN

Well, it is. And I mean, goodness gracious, she put in a lot of hours in her life.

CRAIG

Yeah. You know what I mean?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

I mean, she never stopped working.

KEVIN

No, you couldn't. If you're doing everything that she did between just being a writer, being a singer, going on tour, doing the book thing, she had Dollywood. She had like all these things, right?

CRAIG

A lot of people forget that she did a lot of made-for-TV movies with Kenny Rogers.

KEVIN

That's right. I did remember that.

CRAIG

Because they were a huge duo. I mean, that was Islands in the Stream.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

I think that was it.

KEVIN

That's What You Are.

CRAIG

Yeah. But they did a bunch of duets together, but they also made a lot of made-for-TV movies.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

And that was huge back in the day.

KEVIN

And she was like, she emceed things. She was on the Grammys all the time. She was on the Grand Ole Opry all the time. I mean, she showed up in Nashville all over the place. Just a great person. Yep. Great person.

CRAIG

Sad to see her go. But it's also like when something like this happens, one, I mean, for us, it's comforting. You know that she's a believer. You know that she's moved on to a better section of her life.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And also, it's encouraging to see that someone who lived a life well gets celebrated well.

KEVIN

Yep, I agree.

CRAIG

There's no detractors really from Dolly. It's like, I'm so glad she's gone or anything like that. Everybody's sad that she's gone, but the people that knew her and loved her are comforted that she's where she ought to be.

KEVIN

That nephew speech was great.

CRAIG

Yeah, it really was.

KEVIN

It was like 2 minutes. It's worth your look. It's really good.

CRAIG

Well, and it sort of speaks to the humility of the whole family. I didn't realize there was this whole family involvement in the estate and how things were run.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And, and like they all just were happy to just kind of go along for the ride with Dolly.

KEVIN

They, his words were, she gave me opportunities I didn't even know I needed. Right. That's so good.

CRAIG

It is. It is so good. So, um, anyway, uh, rest well, Dolly.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

Um, but we also, uh, so one of the other things that happened recently is we partnered up with Brooklyn Betting. Um, they sent us a mattress to try out. Not together, because that'd be weird. That would be weird. Um, it wouldn't be restful at all.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

Um, but they, they sent one to me. It is incredible.

KEVIN

Is it?

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

On so many levels, it's incredible.

KEVIN

Yeah. Uh, we, we said it was in the ad.

CRAIG

In the ad.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah. So if you, if you've been listening, I mean, like right now, and I don't know how long this is going to last, so Go get it if you can.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But like right now, I think on their website, they're offering 25% off.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

If you use our code, which is homeowners, you can get 30% off.

KEVIN

Which is awesome.

CRAIG

Which is awesome. And so when they— and so like we're reviewing it now just 'cause we haven't had the opportunity yet, but super comfortable.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

To me, the most impressive thing about it, and it's been a long time since I bought a mattress, just to be honest. I, I have the one that we've had for a long time. It's really comfortable, but this thing is— listen, the last time I bought a mattress, they had to drive a truck up the driveway and unload it, and it took 2 guys to carry it up the stairs.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Because it was a mattress.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

This thing came in 2 boxes.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Each of those boxes were a 2 by 2 box that was about 4 feet long.

KEVIN

Oh.

CRAIG

So like a square tube.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And inside was the mattress.

KEVIN

Could you carry it yourself?

CRAIG

I carried it up the stairs all by myself.

KEVIN

Well, I mean, look at you.

CRAIG

Um, both boxes.

KEVIN

One under each arm?

CRAIG

No, I couldn't do that. Um, I don't have that much hair on my chest. Um, but one was more— one was significantly more heavy than the other.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

But that was because it was the mattress.

KEVIN

Oh, well, yeah. And the other one was the pillow top, and I'll get into that in a second.

CRAIG

Okay. Um, so unpacking the mattress and getting it into the room— one, the way that they packaged it made it easy to get up the stairs, around corners, and all that kind of stuff. You're not— because it's not a full mattress, it's just a 2x2 box in a 4-foot tube, right, that you have to just carry up the stairs, undo it, and then when you pull it out What you discover is that the mattress is shrink-wrapped and rolled.

KEVIN

Oh, perfect.

CRAIG

And so I was a little hesitant to, to do it because I've doom scrolled enough on, on YouTube and TikTok to see that there are some companies that when you unpack their mattresses, they explode.

KEVIN

Yeah, or you go flying.

CRAIG

Or you go flying. That was great. I was, I was kind of doing one of these numbers.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Where it's like, what's gonna happen?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, but it was, it was really cool. I, I took the shrink wrap and I punctured a hole with a pair of scissors, and when I did that, the mattress began to suck air into the plastic wrap and it just sort of slowly expanded onto the bed.

KEVIN

Oh, perfect.

CRAIG

Until it was fully, you know, inflated.

KEVIN

Ah.

CRAIG

Or reflated, I guess, would be the way to put it.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, and it, it, I mean, it was a full twin mattress.

KEVIN

Wow.

CRAIG

Just, I mean, just right there before my eyes that had just, I mean, like, within seconds before that had been in that 2 by 2 box.

KEVIN

So one of the questions I've got is I've, I've seen these before. There's, there's a lot of companies that have these foam mattresses like Purple, and there's a bunch of— one of the complaints I've heard is that they smell when they come out of the the packaging because that, that packaging, they have to heat shrink it. And like, there's just a, there's like a plastic smell to it. And then you've got, it's all foam. Right. And that foam has chemicals in it. Uh, they're not harmful chemicals, clearly, but there's chemicals. Right. So was there an odor?

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Yeah. No, I'm not, I'm not gonna like, not, I'm not gonna like pull punches.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Like it did have an odor. And I think it was because it was so compressed in the plastic wrap.

KEVIN

Okay, yeah, I think so.

CRAIG

And, and yeah, there was an initial odor, but then it was gone.

KEVIN

How long did that take?

CRAIG

Maybe 5 minutes.

KEVIN

Oh, I mean, I've seen some of them where it's like, took like 4 or 5, 6 days.

CRAIG

Right. So, and, and I should also mention the one that, the one that we ordered was the Thermobalance Elite.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Um, so it has like a lot of cooling gel technology in the mattress to help keep you cool. Even though like you have like a thick blanket, the mattress will kind of regulate the temperature.

KEVIN

I love that.

CRAIG

So, and it's one of their higher-end mattresses. Okay. I do want to say that. But they also sent a pillow top, a foam pillow top.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

That had a gel in the pillow top as well.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And that just made it all the better.

KEVIN

I bet.

CRAIG

I like a softer mattress.

KEVIN

I do too.

CRAIG

So like the, the Thermobalance Elite, it's a little firmer. And, but they asked me before I ordered it, hey, do you, do you like to have a little give? Do you like a little bit softer? I was like, yeah, I really do. And they're like, well, let us send you this, this gel foam pad pillow top to go on there.

KEVIN

Oh, so how, how thick is the pillow top? Like 2 inches, 3 inches?

CRAIG

Yeah, it's about 2 inches. Okay. Yeah.

KEVIN

Perfect.

CRAIG

I mean, I, I could be off on that, but I, I just from memory, it's, it's about 2 inches.

KEVIN

I mean, I'm like you, I'm not a monster, and so I don't like firm mattresses, but—

CRAIG

Look, some people have to have a firm mattress for their back. I get it. No, I do too.

KEVIN

I mean, and we sleep on a Sleep Number, so we can adjust ours separately, and we have ours on different numbers, but still ours are pretty low on the number, which is softer. So, You've had some high-end mattresses before.

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

How does this compare?

CRAIG

It's just as good as the best mattress that I've ever had.

KEVIN

Really?

CRAIG

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy comfortable.

KEVIN

And from what I know, just because I know you, what, it's like a quarter of the price?

CRAIG

Oh yeah, compared to the most expensive one I ever bought?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah, the most expensive one I ever bought was just around $7,500.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

So, and I think this one's right around $1,800.

KEVIN

No, well, okay. Same size?

CRAIG

I don't know on the size difference.

KEVIN

Hang on. Okay.

CRAIG

I can look it up for you.

KEVIN

But either way, it's a significant savings.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

That's incredible. I think that the foam mattress world has come a long way.

CRAIG

It really, yes.

KEVIN

I mean, that is absolutely true. When they first came out, it was just, nothing was right.

CRAIG

So for the same size, okay, so the 70, sorry, $7,500 one that I bought for the, the Brooklyn Bedding same size would be right around $3,000.

KEVIN

So still, you're like 40% of the price.

CRAIG

So it'd be $3,000, and if you used our promo code, it'd be 30% off of that.

KEVIN

Which is $900.

CRAIG

Right. So about $2,000.

KEVIN

So you're still down to like a quarter of the price, roughly.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

That's crazy. And I— what's interesting, I don't know how these— how this one's done specifically, but a lot of these newer foam mattresses, they have multiple layers in them.

CRAIG

Yes.

KEVIN

And so you've got that— that base layer is really firm, followed by some other layers, and they're all— they're stacked very strategically to give that— that cushion.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Because— and this goes back to something we've talked about before. I mean, people that are getting the sleep that they need, You sleep roughly a third of your life, right? You're on a mattress a third of your life.

CRAIG

So spend some money and get something that you—

KEVIN

that it's worth it, that you really like. Yeah. Yeah.

CRAIG

It also, I mean, it has like a limited lifetime warranty. They give you like a 120-night trial period.

KEVIN

That's what I was going to ask. Trial period is big.

CRAIG

Free shipping.

KEVIN

Oh, cool.

CRAIG

I mean, if you don't have that kind of cash, they I mean, you can finance it through a firm.

KEVIN

Oh, a firm is great.

CRAIG

So you can get 0%.

KEVIN

Nice.

CRAIG

So, I mean, like this, the one that they sent me, if you wanted to get the King, it would cost you $97 a month.

KEVIN

Oh, that's nothing.

CRAIG

Yeah. So, I mean, so it's very, it's affordable. It's comfortable.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

It's accessible. I mean, financially, it's sure, it's not crazy over the top.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

And it's easy to install. It's not like, so if you, if you're on the 4th floor of like your apartment complex, it's not going to be stupid to get it all the way up there.

KEVIN

No big deal.

CRAIG

Take it now when you move out.

KEVIN

Oh yeah, it's a mattress.

CRAIG

It's a mattress.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But getting it in, that's just don't move. Right.

KEVIN

Or if you just get friends.

CRAIG

Or, you know, hire a mover. Buy a 6-pack.

KEVIN

There you go.

CRAIG

That usually works.

KEVIN

It usually works.

CRAIG

So anyway, it's, it's, it's super comfortable. I'm sleeping on it right now. I'm getting some of the best sleep of my life.

KEVIN

Cool.

CRAIG

Um, it's, it's just a really good mattress.

KEVIN

That's awesome.

CRAIG

And well, and you can— so say you're not like me and you want the same sort of cooling gel and all that kind of stuff, but you don't like a soft one like me.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

You can get a firm one.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Like they have they have those options available for the same style of mattress.

KEVIN

Perfect.

CRAIG

And there's other ones like, and the one that I got is the most expensive one that they have.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Or one of the most expensive ones that they have. They have other ones. I can't, you know, speak to those or how they feel or anything like that.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

This one's great.

KEVIN

You, yeah.

CRAIG

If you wanna spend a little bit less money, I imagine those are good too.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

I just haven't slept on them.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

The one I slept on, it's fantastic.

KEVIN

I love it.

CRAIG

Cool.

KEVIN

Well, um, thanks for the review. It was great. Uh, we have another announcement.

CRAIG

Let's hit it.

KEVIN

That we want to, want to make as we wrap up the show. Um, I, I personally have, have spent— well, let's start here. Since we started the show, our website's kind of lacked a little bit. It's been lacking.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Uh, it's been found wanting, if you will.

CRAIG

Um, the—

KEVIN

we had some cool stuff on there at one point, but it broke. Remember the calculator? I do remember the calculator. We might get a calculator back.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

We might get that back sometime. But, um, I, I've completely rebuilt the website.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm. For the Homeowner Show. It looks fantastic, by the way.

KEVIN

Thank you. Uh, if, if you are curious, um, if you go to our website right now, it's brand new. homeownershow.com. And one of the coolest things is right now, if you were— if you're listening to this live, uh, if you go to our website right now, this is what you see, which is—

CRAIG

That's us live right now.

KEVIN

That's us live right now. All I do— if I were to click this, it would be us live, and I'm not going to click it because it would start playing and we don't really want to do that, but it'd play live and you can actually chat with us live right here on the screen as well. So, uh, pretty cool. When we go live now, if you want to go to YouTube to watch us live, if you want to, you know, find us live on Facebook, you can do that. Those are the 2 places we go live, except our web— web page automatically— I don't even have to touch anything— it automatically finds the, the YouTube feed and pops it onto our web page. So you can just go to homeownershow.com. If you think we might be

KEVIN

live, or if you see us and you want to chat with us, pretty simply, uh, it's right there. So you can do that there. But, uh, I'll just, I'll just scroll through real quick. And, uh, normally this is what you would see here, uh, on our, on, on the homepage. But, uh, it's really cool, man. You can find everywhere that you can subscribe to us, where you can follow us on social media. You can listen to our, our episodes live. Um, uh, or if you wanna go back and watch another episode, you can do this and it pulls up, uh, a player right in. Uh, I'll, I'll mute my, my audio, but, uh, it, it pulls up a player right down here. Um, and, uh,

KEVIN

I, I've actually cropped my screen so you can't see all of it. Um, but you can click on this and it pulls up a player. Um, you can fast forward, rewind, whatever. Um, and, uh, you can see past episodes, learn more about Craig and me. You can support our show by ordering a t-shirt.

CRAIG

Hey, get them t-shirts. You should do that. We got some cool t-shirts.

KEVIN

We do. You should go get one.

CRAIG

I'm actually due for a new one.

KEVIN

I am too, actually. We both need one. Um, if you've got questions you want to ask us, you can click this button. Or if you want to, you know, buy a t-shirt, or if you're interested in sponsoring our show. We've got full pages about that. Uh, but here's one of the things that's really cool. Um, we've never done this, but we're now gonna have a newsletter.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

And the newsletter's gonna be pretty simple. It's gonna alert you when we have new episodes that come out, if we have a live event, or if we have places where you can come see us, or we got something that we really wanna share. We're not gonna spam you with stuff. Uh, we just wanna, you know, if you're interested in our show, wanna see when we have new stuff, Come subscribe. And it, we, I promise you, we are not gonna do anything nefarious with your email. No, I don't care to do that.

CRAIG

It's really, it's really just if you wanna know when new content hits the—

KEVIN

That's it.

CRAIG

Hits the interwebs.

KEVIN

That's it. Then all you gotta do is go over here, uh, sign up and, and you'll be subscribed, uh, to that.

CRAIG

And, uh, I don't even have access to your email address when you do that, by the way.

KEVIN

No, we don't.

CRAIG

I don't.

KEVIN

It goes into a database. I don't see it either. So, but I, I do wanna show you one other cool thing. If you go over to our episodes page, we got some really cool stuff on here. Number one, if you wanna search for a certain type of content, like, have you ever talked about refrigerator repair, which obviously we did today?

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

Or if you wanna learn about, hey, have you talked about roofing? Have you talked about flooring? Have you talked about HVAC or whatever? You can search all of our episodes by simply typing in what you're looking for here, what keyword you're looking for. and it'll populate a list of all of our episodes. Pretty awesome.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Then if you scroll down, you can see all of our latest episodes. You can literally see every single one. Or if you wanna search by topic, you can click one of these and it'll, you know, give all the episodes we've ever talked about, about electrical shows up right here. And if you want any more information, All you have to do is click this little arrow here and it will tell you everything we've ever said about, about electrical work. And then at the bottom of that page, more information about, you know, do you need a generator in Houston? Uh, is solar worth it in Texas? We've created so much content for you to help you. Um,

KEVIN

and then every episode that we've ever done on electrical is on this page. So lots of really, really cool stuff for you guys to go, to go check out and, and learn from.

CRAIG

I mean, ultimately, guys, this is, This is just intended to be an incredible resource for you to find the information that you need. Like, I heard Kevin and Craig talking about this. What was that episode? You can go on the website and now search that.

KEVIN

Exactly.

CRAIG

And find it instead of having to scroll through, like, other, like, dumb podcasts on your podcast player.

KEVIN

Look, I've had that problem. I've been like, hey, I think we talked about this one point, and I wanted to show it to someone. I didn't know what episode number it was. Right?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

We've had almost 400 episodes. Like, I haven't, I don't know. And I, I'm like, oh, I remember we talked to so-and-so and, and, and I've gotta scroll back through and find it. So this way, literally, I can either go find it by searching. I can tell them, hey, just go search the website. Yep. Um, so really, really cool resource. I'm, I'm very excited about it. Uh, if you have any questions, um, go there. I promise you.

CRAIG

Go to the website.

KEVIN

It's gonna be your, you know, your reservoir for all of our information. And before where we had a crappy website, we do not have a crappy website anymore.

CRAIG

No.

KEVIN

So pretty exciting. So awesome.

CRAIG

Good job, man.

KEVIN

All right, cool. Well, thank you guys for listening, for, uh, joining us today. And, uh, look, please go sign up for the newsletter. I think it'll be worth it. Uh, we're probably gonna start repping that a little bit more, but also leave us a rating and review on podcasts, uh, the wherever you listen to that, whether it's Spotify or or Apple Podcasts, whatever, YouTube. Leave us a like and review. Leave us some comments. Share us with your friends. Until next time, we'll see you later.

CRAIG

See ya.

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