Beyond the Game: Halftime Hype and Cultural Commentary

This is episode number 348 of The Homeowner Show. Whether you're DIY or looking to hire, we're here to help you find the best information and options for you and your home. My name is Kevin Hackett, and here with me is Craig Williams.

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to The Homeowner Show. We are so glad that you could join us for another live episode here in the studio. How you doing, Kev?

I am fantastic. That's all.

Declaratively. Yes.

Things are good. Look, I'm just running on adrenaline.

Adrenaline?

That's all I got right now.

You're so excited about doing the show today.

I think that must be it. Look, it's been a long few weeks, and I've not had nearly as much sleep as I wanted to. But man, things are good. 2026 has started off well so far. We're already in February. Can you believe that? It feels—

it doesn't. Well, in one, it was like 84 degrees today.

Well, there's that.

It doesn't feel like February.

No, it definitely doesn't.

How do you say February?

Well, technically it's February, right? February.

February.

February. It doesn't sound right. You take that rua out of it.

February.

Yeah, that's it. Uh, anyway, how you doing, man?

I'm doing good. Good. I think, I think we're gonna do kind of a quick episode tonight, uh, because we wanted to talk about Super Bowl.

Yeah.

Halftime shows specifically because from what I— I didn't watch the game, but from what I understand, it was pretty dumb and boring.

The game was pretty dumb and boring. And let me tell you why. The best thing I saw today was from the Babylon Bee. Uh-huh. And if you don't know, Babylon Bee is a— it's a satire article or blog or whatever you wanna call it these days. It's satire.

Satire news.

Satire news. Thank you. Uh, it said this, Patriots offensive line surprised to learn Super Bowl was yesterday because they did not show up. And, and look, the Seahawks defense played really well. Both defenses played really well. But I, I heard someone say it this way. They said, look, I love, uh, watching really good defenses, but I also like being safe in my car, but I don't like watching it. Like, I don't want to watch safe driving.

That's right.

That was a pretty good way to put it.

Yeah, that's, that's fair.

So no, the game was not really much to watch. It was fine.

Uh-huh.

Uh, neither team was a team that I really cared about. And, uh, but I will also say that I did not watch live Super Bowl, uh, halftime shows.

Halftime shows. I did not. I did not either.

Okay.

However, I watched them both this morning because I heard there was some hoopla.

Yeah.

So this was the first year that anyone really tried to put up any sort of competitive options.

Right.

For the halftime show, which I'm kind of shocked about, honestly.

Well, I think that you're— yeah, I think there's a couple of things there that, like, for whatever reason, it— well, it costs a lot of money to do something like that, especially to, you know, not just the actual production of it, which costs a lot of money. You've also got the talent that you're bringing in. You gotta pay them, all this kind of stuff. And so I think, for lack of a better reason, I think that there needed to be a reason to have an alternative.

Mmhmm.

And Someone found a reason.

Yeah.

Finally.

But, like, if you had to articulate that reason...

If I had to?

Yeah. Like, why did they do that?

Um... Uh, that's a great question.

Um...

I think... that... there's a reason that I would say, Uh-huh. versus a reason they would say.

OK. I wanna hear both of them.

OK. I think the reason they would say is they wanted a safe, alternative, family-friendly version of a halftime show.

Okay.

That's what I think they would say.

Okay.

Which, let me put a little caveat in here, I don't really care. Okay, I'll put that in there first.

Yeah.

But I think that's what they would say. What I would say the reason was is to platform, to, to have a platform. I think they did it to show that they can do whatever they want to.

Okay.

That's my thought process.

Yeah.

What, what would you say?

Um, I mean, having, having seen it, I would be shocked if what you're saying that they would say would be true.

Okay. Because, because it didn't feel like that at all. Family friendly.

Well, it wasn't.

Yeah, no, it wasn't.

There was, there was an artist that did some swearing.

Okay.

It was like a country rap guy. Kid Rock?

No, no, no, no.

It wasn't Kid Rock. Okay.

Because I didn't see the Turning Point one. I actually only— because I just didn't watch it. Yeah. And I only recently before the show, watched the halftime, the, the Super Bowl one. Yeah, the one on NBC. Right.

Um, and so I don't know if that was their goal. I don't know that they achieved it. It was— but like 90, 95% of it super family friendly. But like, it, it really felt more like a really high production rock show. Okay.

It was good.

Yeah, it, it was— it wasn't It wasn't as good. Let me see how I can phrase this properly. The production level on it wasn't as good as the one at the Super Bowl.

Okay.

The Bad Bunny one, the production level was really high.

Yeah.

Really well executed. The music just stunk.

Well, I don't know what— I'm not familiar with that music in any way, shape, or form.

Well, I mean, but like, I'm sorry. I don't— like, if I heard Aerosmith for the first time, sure. Like, and I heard Walk This Way, I'd be like, that's a good song. You know what I mean?

Well, that's my point. I have no context in that. I can't— I couldn't understand the language. Well, sure.

But like—

That's part of it.

Yeah. But like, if you heard like Despacito for the very first time.

Okay. Good point.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't know the language.

No, but you're right. To your point, I can listen to that and go, this is something I would listen to.

Right. Yeah. Nothing that I heard from the Super Bowl halftime show, except for Lady Gaga, is something that I listened to and I've been like, that's pretty good.

Uh, she was not just pretty good. She was awesome.

No, she was— no, she was like— like, and I, I think I told you that before the show. I mean, like, everything else stunk, but Lady Gaga stole the show.

Yeah, she was awesome.

In my, in my humble opinion.

Um, yes.

And it wasn't because she was singing in English. It was like, right, one, she was actually singing.

Yeah.

Two, it took some talent to sing the song that she sang, right? It wasn't, it wasn't just like a 1, 4, 5, 6 song. It was, you know, it was— it actually had something going on, and it was difficult to sing. I can tell you that much right now.

Yeah.

And she nailed it.

She did. And, and she put on a great performance without performing even. Yeah. If that makes sense.

No, it was just about the singing, honestly. I mean, there was dancing and stuff going on, but like, yeah, but it wasn't, it wasn't like a Lady Gaga thing, but it was just a really well-sung song.

Yeah.

Um, and so good honor. I mean, I, I thought it was killer. Um, that being said, the musical— the musical aspect of The Turning Point was way better.

Okay.

Like, like, especially if you like rock and roll. If you like rock and roll, you would have dug it.

Well, it was kind of a '90s version. Like, they were real— they did— let me tell you what they did from, again, I didn't see it yet. I will go watch it. So my— everything that I'm gonna say has to have that caveat in it.

But, okay, let's, let's, let's also— let's just put some, some numbers into context here as well.

Okay.

Um, right off the, uh, right off the bat, um, TPUSA now holds the record for the largest concurrent stream ever in the United States.

Really?

Yeah, it's, it's like 6.17 million people concurrently viewing that halftime show.

Okay.

Live.

Wow.

So it is the, and the only other livestream that beat it was one out of India. And so like they're second in the world, number one in the US ever.

That's crazy.

So it's, they didn't just do nothing. I mean, like they, they, they put on the biggest event YouTube has ever seen in the United States.

That's huge.

So there's that.

Yeah.

And, and so when you think about the number of people that watch the Super Bowl live, Which I, I think we looked up like the biggest one ever, which was in 2025.

Yeah.

And it was like 127 million or something like that.

Yeah. Right.

So, I mean, like you, you take, you know, let's, let's just say 6 million people away from that.

That's a large number.

Right.

Yeah.

Then, then your, your advertisers start having conversations with you about your prices.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Um, and I, I think, I think that was the play.

Okay, maybe.

Um, but it was there.

I mean, it was political.

There was, but there was nothing political about the show.

I, I get that, but it was political in foundation.

They're, they're a political organization.

They are.

Yeah. Um, but they're not, I mean, like, they're obviously, I mean, like, if they're gonna vote, they're probably gonna vote Republican, but they're not like a specifically Republican The organization.

The organization is not, but you're correct.

Yeah. I mean, they're, they're conservative organizations.

Yes.

And I, I think the point was to say there's an audience for this.

Yeah.

And, and you're, you're specifically asking them to turn their TVs off.

Mm-hmm.

During the Super Bowl. And, and honestly, I think, I think all of this, I, I think this has been bubbling up for more than a decade.

Well, since Janet Jackson.

That's exactly what I was gonna say.

That would be my place. Yeah.

I mean, that, that is when the NFL lost trust with the American family.

Yeah.

100%. And they haven't earned it back yet.

Right. That was 2003, I believe.

So almost more than 20 years.

Maybe. No, that would've been 2004.

2004?

Yeah. If I remember correctly.

Yeah. I, I remember, I remember where I was. I do too. I don't remember what year it was, but I remember where I was when it happened.

Yep, I did too.

Because I was in a church and all of a sudden there was a boob on the big screen.

Yep. I was at a church function too. Yep, 2004. I was right.

And up until that point, it was 2004?

It was 2004, like I said.

Up until that point, there was not a church in this country that had a problem streaming the Super Bowl live at their building.

Right.

And ever since then, it's been, let's turn the halftime show off.

Halftime for specifically, yeah. Turn halftime off.

Yeah. Well, and even then, I mean, like some of, some of the ads have been a little racy.

Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, all the way that I would take that back to GoDaddy.

Mm-hmm.

Like that's about the time whenever some of the ads were like, oh, what if they— yeah, what is this? Yeah.

And so I think, I think this has been bubbling over for a long time and no one has had the cojones to try and throw anything because, because everyone sort of understands That, I mean, like, you just can't mess with the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday. There's no comp— there's no competing with that.

Yeah. How do you, how do you compete with that number of people?

Yeah.

And how are you gonna do anything from a production level that's gonna be worth it?

Yeah. And, and so what they got was a resounding answer.

Oh yeah.

Of, and, and so all that, and, and what, it's the same with the Super Bowl. Like, you can't count, just like, you, you don't know for sure, but you, you don't know how many people were actually watching.

No, of course not.

And so—

Because they could have been up getting chips and dip or, you know, who knows?

Well, and, and Turning Point's stream wasn't just on YouTube. You know, it— what's Rumble? It was on Rumble.

Yeah.

It was also running concurrently on Charlie Kirk's channel.

Okay.

It was, it was running some other places as well. And, and so they're saying it, it looks like it's gonna be close to, like, 30 million people tuned into the TPUSA show.

Oh my goodness.

So you start looking at numbers like that.

Well, you take away— what is that, a, a four— a quarter? That's a quarter of the audience.

If, if it's even— so what you— what you— if you're the NFL, you gotta look at that and you gotta go, are those people that just tuned in to watch the TPUSA?

Yeah. Of course.

Or is it people that turned off the NFL show and watched the Turning Point?

Because it could have been either. It could have been both.

But you don't know. But either way, 30 million people.

That 30 million of anything. Mhmm.

raises eyebrows.

Yeah.

And, and here's, here's the other interesting thing, man, is, like, again, I didn't watch the Super Bowl, didn't go to a Super Bowl party.

Sure.

I was playing my guitar somewhere.

Okay.

I was way happier.

Yeah.

But my wife was at a Super Bowl party that her brother was throwing, and they had both going on at the same time. Okay. One in one room, one in the other room.

And?

But no, I mean, it's just—

no, but which one was better attended?

What? No, I, I don't— that I don't know. Okay. But I, I would be shocked if that wasn't the case in most homes.

Yeah. Well, you heard— you asked me a question. before the show started.

Yeah.

And your question was if you would have watched it, but I was literally driving home so that I could watch the second half from the party that I was at.

Right.

Uh, you asked which one would you have watched? And my answer was I would have tried to watch both. That's— but every, every bit of it is because I want to be informed.

Right.

Not because I prefer this over that. That's— that would have been my answer. Now, just from— just from what I know, I would never have chosen Bad Bunny over a Kid Rock. Right.

Never.

But part of that is because I grew up with Kid Rock. Like, that's— they— one of the things— and this goes back to something I was gonna say earlier— one of the things that Turning Point did It was brilliant, is it understood its audience. Middle-aged people with children.

Yep.

Who knew these people in the '90s. And that's what they gave people. Yeah.

Well, and like, here's what— here's the other thing I'll say. The Kid Rock portion of the show.

Yeah.

Meh.

Yeah, not great.

I mean, not meh because it wasn't great. It was good.

He did—

what's his big hit?

Oh, goodness.

The ball with the ball to bang, bang, diggy diggy, whatever that song is.

Yeah.

Which, again, when's the last time Kid Rock had a hit?

Since then. Right?

Pretty much. But I think that's important.

Yeah.

Right? Is that he— I mean, like, he's been a figure out in the public, but he hadn't had a hit in years. How many people tuned in to watch? Because they knew, and he was the only headline on that, on that ticket.

Right.

He did that ball with the ball, bang to bang, diggy diggy. That song lasted maybe a minute and a half.

Okay.

And then he was done.

Yeah.

And then he changed outfits and came out in his given name.

Oh, did he?

To sing a country song.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, oh, that's what I just saw. He covered Cody Johnson's Till You Can't. Yep. Interesting.

And then added a verse about coming to faith in Jesus.

Interesting.

At the end. It was really good.

Yeah.

It was good. But his name's like Robert.

I don't even know.

It was really odd because they said, now welcome to the stage, Robert such and such. And it was Kid Rock.

Is it Robert Morris? That could be.

I don't know. I don't know.

No, Robert Ritchie.

Robert Ritchie, that's it.

Yeah, Robert Ritchie.

So Robert Ritchie took the stage, cowboy hat, and sang that song Until You Can't, and it's a good song. Yeah, um, he did it well. He played, he played the acoustic guitar and there was a steel guitar behind him.

Interesting.

It was a different vibe, and that's how he ended the show.

Okay.

Um, and you know, so a couple of things. I don't, I don't have a problem with Bad Bunny singing in Spanish.

Okay.

It doesn't bother me at all.

Yep.

Mostly because, like, I know that he's from Puerto Rico. That's part of the United States. It's part of who we are. Do your thing, bro.

Yeah. I, I don't disagree with you.

Yeah.

Just because I didn't understand language, that doesn't have a bearing on my, my thoughts on the show as a whole. Yeah. But continue.

Um, I didn't hear anything that he did that I was just blown away by.

Yeah.

Like even slightly impressed with.

Yeah.

Um, I honestly thought he was way better as a caddy in Happy Gilmore. And I, I didn't even know, like, I didn't even make that connection until I was watching the halftime show and I was like, hey, that's the caddy from— I didn't know that that was like supposed to be a thing in that movie. Oh, that's Bad Bunny. I had no idea who that was.

Right.

You know? But he was actually really good in that movie.

Well, I actually saw them— The only reason I knew, 'cause I didn't know to begin with, is 'cause I saw them ask Adam Sandler if, you know, which Super Bowl halftime show he would prefer. And he basically said, I think Bad Bunny's gonna do his thing.

Yeah.

You know?

And look, he is one of the biggest streamers out there right now. I mean, look, people like him.

Yeah.

I don't know why.

Well, but, but there's a lot of things that I don't like that other people do.

Well, I— it's not like— it's not like I don't like. It's like I don't get.

Well, I get that too.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Because there's, there's plenty of things that I don't like. I didn't dislike what he did. It's just like, I don't understand why people like it.

Yeah.

I can see that. So, and then the Turning Point USA man, I think if the NFL is smart, they will use it as an opportunity to increase their audience because that was the point of Bad Bunny for sure.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

You know, they are, they are looking to tap into the— what am I trying to say?

Start a—

Latino market.

Well, okay. That's true.

You know, like, yes, they were, you know, and like, because that's not, that's not their biggest, most popular audience. They recognize that soccer is bigger in the world.

It's the reason that we're having games played in Brazil and other places. They're trying to expand their market. Yes, they are.

You know, and that was, that was definitely the play with having Bad Bunny on the, on the ticket. I don't know that that's the way to go about it.

Yeah.

You know, and because in the, in the course of doing that, they're losing their main market. And I think that's what Turning Point was tapping into was like, hey, We want to celebrate America because this is an American sport. Sure. And also at the same time, what's wrong if the NFL was an American-only thing? Is that such a bad— are they not making enough money?

I don't think they are, actually. I think that's part of it. I think that I, to your point, surely they're making enough money, right? Yes.

They're obviously making enough money.

Obviously making enough money.

Yeah.

But I think if they go, look, if we can capture more audience from across the world, we should figure out a way to do it. I think that's the, the point. But I, I see what you're saying. Like, why, why, why does it need to be that? Especially whenever football is not universal. It just isn't. No, not in— no, it's just not.

So, but like, don't kill the golden goose.

No, right.

Which is what they've been trying to do. Yeah. And probably not intentionally, but like, inadvertently, they've been doing that by alienating people that have values and morals.

Sure.

You know, when it, when it comes to the kind of content that they allow their families to consume.

Yeah. Well, and they have a huge advantage right now Because the NCAA is trying to screw it up.

Okay, they're trying to screw football up.

Yeah, so figure out how to make NFL better.

Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, like, and look, I mean, I'm sorry, I, I mean, it's just my personal opinion, but like, college football is more entertaining.

Sure it is.

You know, and, and now there's money involved.

Yep.

And so, you know, that's going to take money away from the NFL.

It is.

No, I mean, like, there's no question that it will.

I agree.

has and is going to moving forward. But here's the thing is when it comes to family, when it comes to values, when it comes to morals, who is an American family going to trust more, the NFL or Turning Point USA? Who are they going to feel more safe with letting their kids have access to a screen when one of those two is in control of the content?

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I think that, man, it's a weird question because I think there's plenty of people who would say, I don't want my family anywhere near Turning Point.

I think that's true. You know what I mean? But that's not because they think Turning Point has bad morals. It's because they think that they have a wrong perspective on that Christianity's the only way.

Sure. Maybe.

I mean, that's pretty much it. I mean, unless it's some sort of weird political— But it is political. If you watch the Turning Point show, Nowhere in that thing was MAGA or you need to vote Republican or any of that. Nothing was in there. I mean, Jesus was in there.

Sure.

A little bit.

Well, that's—

Faith was in there.

Yeah.

But if you find that threatening, you're probably in the wrong country anyway.

That's not Democrat or Republican at all. No.

So it's like, But you watch the 2, and Turning Point USA opens with this ripping electric guitar solo of the national anthem, and people are cheering. And it's like the NFL one.

Yeah, I listened to it.

Is that what they're— and I heard somebody today point out that, like, missed opportunity. And I was like, what are you talking about?

On what level?

What's the 250th anniversary of the United States?

Oh, yeah, that's true.

And so, again, I don't have any problem with somebody singing in Spanish. Puerto Rico is part of the US.

Sure.

But is that representative of what America is?

Over the last 250 years? Yeah.

Yeah, no, I hear you. You had a really good opportunity to celebrate patriotism and Americanism. And the problem is a lot of people don't think that those things are good things to celebrate.

Yeah, that's true.

So it's a weird situation, but I think if the NFL is smart, which I'm not convinced that they are.

Yeah, I'm not either.

If I were them, I would approach Turning Point, leverage it, and, and I would say something along the lines of, hey, if we licensed you guys to show the game live, uh-huh, would you rent out a venue and sell tickets to which we get a portion of those tickets? So you guys could continue to do the kind of halftime show that you guys want to do.

Interesting.

They'd be dumb not to do that.

It'd be, it'd be a massive revenue stream.

Well, and if nothing else, it would tell everybody that, hey, the NFL values you too.

Sure.

You know, and if, but like, here's the thing, like, Turning Point could become the actual, the actual better live venue for Super Bowl concerts.

Well, yeah.

Than the actual Super Bowl.

Well, yeah. Because the— I mean, from what I understand, the people that are at the Super Bowl hate the halftime show. Well, because— yeah. Because they can't—

they can't see it.

They can't hear it. It's not produced for the people at the show.

No. It's made for TV.

Yeah. It is.

But, like, but, like, if you— like, you put on a rip-roaring concert with actual, like, musicians where you're gonna get, like, a really good, you know, 15-minute concert in the middle of that.

Yeah.

And you're selling tickets so that you can, you know, watch the, the game on giant screens in, in full high definition.

And, you know, there's good hot dogs and popcorn, like all, I mean, like, well, if you have, if you don't have a game on the field, mm-hmm, you could be setting up stuff for, you know, in between quarters and—

Yeah. You could do all kinds of cool stuff, man.

Yeah.

So, I mean, like, If they don't, it's a missed opportunity.

Sure.

And they're not paying attention to what the market's asking for.

Yeah. Because the numbers definitely show that it was viable. Yep.

So there's a market for it.

Yep.

And so you can, you can either like try and work with them or continue to fight them from now on.

Right.

Because I mean, like, they, they have a proof of concept now.

Yeah.

And you don't, you don't think that like other companies are looking at what TPUSA did and said, oh, these, these guys are hacks and they did it.

Yep.

We could do something.

Sure.

Like, look, why not?

And, and they did it in a relatively short amount of time.

Yes.

What do you think about it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that's the thing is like the Mongolians are at the wall, man.

Yeah.

The NFL better be paying attention.

Yeah.

It's like either, you know, like team up or, I mean, die or good luck.

Yeah. Yep.

I mean, like the, the, the NFL, I mean, like it, they, they could be nonexistent within 20 years, man.

Well, it's possible.

I mean, really, I mean, if, if we're churning money into college football.

Yeah.

It's more exciting. There's more teams that people actually care about.

Yep.

You know, and, you know, people watch less and less, which means they're making less and less, which means they can pay their players less and less. I mean, like it's—

Yep.

It's, it's not sustainable unless they figure it out, man. You can't continue to alienate your, your audience.

Yeah.

So, and I, again, like, I don't know, I don't, I don't know that having Bad Bunny was what alienated them.

Sure.

No, I'm not, I'm not saying that at all. Um, because I actually, I, I thought, I thought the show was like pretty tame.

Well, I actually saw a, a like top 10 all-time like Super Bowl shows. Yeah. And it was listed at number like 7.

I don't know about that.

I don't know that I agree with it because— but I'm saying someone put it out.

Mm-hmm.

And I'm going, okay, somewhere someone thinks that it's good enough to be—

let me put— so the one last year, which I think was the history of like hip-hop or something like that, was that—

was that what that one— No, that was like 2 years ago, I think.

Was that what—

yeah, because that was the one that had like Ice Cube.

Was that the house?

And yeah, then that wasn't that 2 years ago? I don't, I don't remember. It doesn't matter.

I thought that one was really good.

It was good.

Um, you know, but like, you, you look back at like, you know, you think about really good ones because I think you even have to put like the Justin Timberlake, Janet Jackson one in the top 10. Yeah, I think you do, even though it was like stupid.

Yeah.

Um, it was really good.

It was '22, by the way.

'22, when they did the hip-hop one?

Yeah.

What was last year?

Let me look. 2025. Oh, it's Kendrick Lamar.

Yeah. Wouldn't know a song if I heard it. Yeah. Um, but like, I think, I think the gold standard for, uh, Super Bowl halftime shows is Michael Jackson.

Oh, for sure.

Without, without question. I mean, how long has he been dead?

Oh, that was like '98 or something like that.

And I don't think anybody can even compete.

No, I mean, I know '98 was Queen Latifah.

I'm sorry.

Let me, let me go find out when Michael Jackson was the same. Not the same. Let me see. No, because now I want to know. No, no shade on Latifah, but uh, let's see, what year was that? Uh, oh my, 1993.

There you go.

Yeah.

Yeah. And like, again, it was great. 23 years ago.

Yep.

And like, I don't, I don't think anybody can even hold a candle to it.

No, no. His was so good.

And like, that's, that's kind of a sad state for that.

It's been that long. I mean, like, again, like, there have been, there have been some really good—

King of concerts for sure is Michael Jackson, but like, In 23 years, you hadn't come up with anybody that can do anything better.

So, well, or at least compete with it. I, I, to me, it's not even a question.

Which I think that was the whole point of having Janet Jackson on that one.

Yeah.

Was like, let's, let's try. Closest as we can get. His little sister. Um, and you know, she definitely got more eyeballs probably.

Yeah. Well, they said, well, she'll show us. Boy, did she.

I mean, like maybe, I mean, maybe we're missing one that we, we're just not thinking, but I, I mean, I can't think of one that would even come close.

No, I agree. So look, I'll just give you what is some, some ideas of like, so Billboard has done a top 15.

Okay.

Okay. So, so number 15, they've got Coldplay, Coldplay, Beyoncé, Bruno Mars.

Okay. That was pretty good.

14, Janet Jackson. All right. She made the list.

All right.

13, Katy Perry in 2015.

Meh.

12, Rihanna in 2023.

Nah. Don't care.

11, Paul McCartney, 2005. Okay, that's, that's decent. Yep.

He was, and he was actually really good.

Right. 10, Bad Bunny.

Like, okay, I'm sorry.

I'm just telling you where it's at.

Bad Bunny over Paul McCartney.

That's dumb.

Kiss my grits. Like, that's not even like in the ballpark.

Uh, number 9, Rolling Stone.

Okay.

Yeah. Number 8 is Michael Jackson's— what they're putting number 8. Uh, number 7, Madonna in 2012.

I mean, like, Madonna's good, but like, she's not—

no. Number 6, Lady Gaga in '17.

Lady Gaga was good.

She was good. Number 5, Bruce Springsteen. Bruce Springsteen, good. 2009.

Still not better than Michael Jackson.

No. Number 4, Beyoncé in 2013, which Eh. Yeah. Number 3, Dre in '22. That's the hip-hop one you were talking about. The hip-hop one.

It was good. I don't even know that it should be in the top 10.

Sure. Uh, number 2 was U2 in 2002.

Fair.

Number 1, OK. Prince in 2007 was really good.

OK, Prince was good.

But I don't know if he's better than Michael Jackson. I don't think so. I would put him at 2, probably.

I think putting— what, Michael Jackson was number 8?

Yeah.

That's— I mean, that's disgraceful.

I agree. Come on, Billboard, do better.

Yeah.

Act like you even care.

I mean, like, look, if you put Prince at number 1 and Michael Jackson at number 2, I'd be like, okay, like, that's fair.

Sure.

I mean, at that point, you're just dealing with, like, subjective opinions.

Right.

And Prince killed it. I mean, I'm shocked that Rolling Stones weren't number 3.

Yeah. Okay, so this is another stupid list. Number 1, Prince. Number 2, Timberlake and Janet Jackson.

Oh, gosh.

Number 3, Dr. Dre. Number 4, Jackson. 5, Lady Gaga. 6, Beyoncé. 7, Aerosmith in 2001. Aerosmith, NSYNC, Britney Spears, and Mary J. Blige.

OK, that's a legit—

That's an interesting lineup.

That's a legit—

But it didn't even make the top 15 Billboard.

Maybe there was something weird with that show. 'Cause I'd be shocked if Aerosmith just didn't knock it out of the park.

Yeah. Uh, 2009, Bruce Springsteen. 2020, Jennifer Lopez and Shakira. I remember that one.

Yeah.

I do remember that one. Uh, 2014 was Bruno Mars. Now, uh, that's number 10. Yeah. It's just— it's an interesting list. You know who didn't make the list? Beastie Boys.

Did they?

Beastie Boys didn't make the list. When did they win the Super Bowl? Oh, that's a good question. I wanna say, like, 2017? Beastie Boys halftime show. What year was that? Uh, let's see. Oh my goodness, it's not giving me a year. How is it not giving me a year? I don't remember.

Do better, internet.

Yeah, it wasn't, uh, it wasn't that long ago though, I'll tell you that. Um, but everybody was like They didn't wear shirts. I was like, have you ever seen the Beastie Boys with their shirts on? Ever?

No, no, that's just not their thing.

That's not their thing.

So there's a band I'm thinking of, uh, gosh, why can't I think of the— Flea is the bass player.

Flea? I don't know who you're talking about.

Oh my gosh, Californication.

Oh, uh, uh, uh, Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Have they ever done that?

That's what I was thinking of. And I— look, you need to just shoot me for a minute because when I said Beastie Boys, I meant Red Hot Chili Peppers. They're the ones that don't ever have shirts on. Okay, hold on. Uh, yeah, that's, that's my bad. Uh, that was 2014.

They did do it. They did do it. Red Hot Chili Peppers, 2014. Okay. I mean, like, I don't know if they did any good. I don't remember, but like, I, I mean, I was thinking like, that actually could be a pretty good show.

Yeah. That, that's, that's the one where I was like, they didn't wear shirts. My bad.

So it's also one of the sub villains in Back to the Future.

That's true.

That's true.

So we got anything else to talk about? Are we good? Yeah.

We were going to talk about the Trump thing.

The Trump thing.

Yeah.

We should probably talk about it.

Well, I mean, it's an interesting one.

It is.

Yeah.

So if you don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about the—

The Obama's monkey video.

Yeah. The social media post that Trump's account put out that showed the Obamas.

Let's just go ahead and put it out there. It was stupid.

Oh, it was terrible and off color and awful.

Yeah.

It was terrible.

Yeah.

Let's just Like, like, there's nothing that anybody could say that could convince me that what was put out was anything but offensive, awful. It was terrible, right? I don't, I don't have any other words than just like ludicrous, awful, horrible, should be ashamed.

Yeah. Oh, I do think so. Did you, have you, did you hear his Uh, I did his interview.

I did.

Do you think he knew about it? I—

here's, here's what he said in his interview. He said, I saw the beginning of it and I was okay with the beginning of it, right? But it wasn't about that.

It wasn't.

And no, it wasn't. And he said, but I'm not going to apologize.

I heard that too. And so like, that was stupid.

That's, that's the point where you go, I didn't watch all of it. and I didn't know the rest of it. I'm gonna handle it.

Yeah.

That's what you say.

Yeah.

You know? But that's not what he said.

That's not what he said. He just said, I'm not gonna—

'Cause it was about what?

It was about voter fraud.

Yeah. In Georgia. Yeah.

And like, I can— like, this, this is my— this is always my issue with Trump is he's either a super genius or a buffoon. There's, there's no, there's no in-between.

The space in between is a wide gap.

Well, for people that are opposed to him, There's nothing in between.

There's nothing.

And it's like, but like, you have to pick one.

Yeah.

You know, he's either a buffoon.

Or he's a genius.

Or he's a genius. And in this instance, I think he's kind of a buffoon.

Uh-huh.

Yeah. I really do.

I do too.

Well, because— It's not to dismiss it at all. I just, I really don't think he watched the entire video.

No, I don't think so either. I don't think he knew everything that it was. I also don't think he would have stopped it if he knew. That's the problem.

I also don't think the person that posted it watched the whole video.

Well, that may be true.

I really don't.

Yeah, that may be true.

I watched the whole thing.

I did too.

And if you got like a minute and a half into it—

Yeah, you're like, I'm done with this. There's nothing else to watch, really.

Well, I know where this is going. And so you would just sort of switch off and be like, okay, this is cool. I'll share this.

Right.

Because it was actually interesting what he was saying about the Georgia elections.

Right.

Whether or not it's true, I don't care. It was interesting.

Right.

But, like, then all of a sudden, it gets spliced into this weird AI jungle animal thing.

Yeah.

You know? And I keep hearing people just like, well, all the other people were animals too. And I was like, yeah, but that really doesn't matter.

There's nothing about what happened at the end that is okay.

Whoever made that video, there's no way that they didn't know what they were doing.

Look, let's, let's put it out this way. What person? Mm-hmm. What person's face would you exchange for the Obamas? Mm-hmm. And that'd be okay?

Well, I mean, right? Well, so, like, in, in that video, they do have Biden also as a monkey.

Sure.

Um, and again, that doesn't excuse it.

But that's my point is like, Put, put anybody's face on there, it doesn't make it better.

No.

Like, it doesn't— who it was—

What are you saying?

Like, like, if you were to exchange it for a baby, even like a baby's face on a monkey, number one, it wouldn't— they wouldn't do that because it wouldn't mean what they wanted it to mean. But it doesn't make it better. It doesn't make me go, oh, well, that was kind of cute and funny. It still is extremely offensive and stupid.

So you think it would have been just as offensive to have a white person's face on it?

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

I don't think so.

No, no. My point is, it doesn't matter what— who you put on it. When you put an ex-president who is the only Black ex-president that we've ever had on there.

Yeah.

now we've got a big problem.

Yeah, I think it's only offensive because he's Black.

Of course. But I think if you put— but putting Biden's face on there is not any better.

I think if I had to pick between the two, I'd much rather have Biden's face on the monkey. Okay.

Either way.

Like, really, I mean, a gun to your head, you have to post a video. One's got a monkey, a monkey body with Obama and one's with Biden's head.

One's worse.

You're picking Biden every time.

Yeah, one's worse.

Because, you know, you're not like— it's just going to be you making fun of him and saying he's a goofy dude.

But it's not better. But like, it's also not better.

It's way better.

Okay.

It's way better.

I'll give it to you. Fine. I'll acquiesce just because I'm going—

No, look, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that it's bad because he's Black.

Sure.

It is bad because he's Black.

It is? Well, of course it is.

Yeah.

And that's the main reason it's bad.

Yes.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah. I mean, put— I mean, look, put Nancy Pelosi's face on it. No one's gonna care. No one's gonna care. You know why? Because they didn't care about the face that they put her on in the rest of the video.

That's true. That's true. That did happen before. It did happen.

It's— look.

Uh-huh.

And also, put Trump's face on the monkey.

Yeah.

No one's gonna care.

Well, they'll think that that's adequate. Sure.

And I don't care.

No, I don't either.

But there's also, like, no historical precedent for, like, associated white people with monkeys.

That's true.

So yeah, it was just a dumb move all around.

Yeah, so it was really bad.

But like, again, it's not— it's not— I'm, I'm not defending it. I really, I really don't think he watched it. I don't.

I don't either. I don't either.

I don't. I actually heard somebody try and explain it today, and I thought it was a really dumb explanation.

Okay.

Was they were like, oh, he's playing 4D chess. And I'm like, okay. How's he playing 4D chess? Well, um, now everyone has to go back and watch the whole video, and everyone's gonna see how there was voter fraud in Georgia. And I was like, really? This— like, this is— this— like, no, this cannot be the play.

No.

And no one cares.

No, they don't.

Like, put it to bed. It's dead.

It doesn't matter.

Like, not even a little bit?

No, it doesn't matter.

I mean, it matters in the sense, like, is it going to If it happened, is it going to happen again?

Fine.

You wanna have that conversation? Like, find, find evidence, find—

But get over it.

Prosecute. But like, no, we're not playing 40. This is not a 40 chess move. No. This is a dumb move that where you, you like, it's something that you're still butthurt about and you're gonna post a video about it, but you didn't watch the whole thing. Right. And you screwed up because it had something else attached to it that you never intended to go over.

Never knew. Um, but The fact that he wouldn't come back and apologize for it.

That was stupid. It's such an easy layup to apologize for that.

Yeah.

Like, and like, really, you know what? I didn't watch the whole video.

Sure.

Even, okay. Let's, let's just say that I'm wrong about that.

Okay.

He could lie.

Uh-huh.

And be like, you know what? I'm really sorry. I didn't watch the whole video. Shouldn't have posted it. And you know what people could do?

Nothing. Right.

Except for Trump apologized.

Yeah. Yeah.

And, and you know what? It would be out of the news cycle like that.

Yep. No one would care at that point.

So stupid pride. Yeah.

He, he vilifies himself. He really does. And, and I think that the, one of the things that, that to me is so weird about it is that he vilifies himself to anybody who's even remotely Democrat. Okay. Immediately he vilifies himself. But in this moment, conservatives are going, you're an idiot.

Yeah. 'Cause I don't, I don't even know that it's like, it's like a Democrat-Republican thing as much as it is, are you on my team?

Right.

'Cause I don't think he cares.

No.

If you're a Republican and you oppose him, Doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, I don't think it matters.

At this point, it doesn't matter. I was having a conversation about this similarly this morning, and I said, he, in his first presidency, he was offensive to some people on multiple occasions.

Yep.

Not like he is this time. It's different. The way he acts in this term versus the way he acted in his first term is different. I just, he is less reserved, if that's even possible, than he was in the first term. And I think that a lot of people don't know what to do with that. They're like, I didn't see it coming. And other people are going, I'm okay with it.

Which is, that's, that's the one I, I hear a lot where it's like, well, yeah, but they've been doing this for a long time the other way.

Yeah.

And like, that doesn't excuse bad behavior.

No.

So that's, that's never a good excuse, you know, for, for anything that you do.

Yeah.

They, they did it first.

Yeah. The yeah, but doesn't work really well. No. In general. And, and, and anytime you, you're, you're exactly right. Whenever you start pointing fingers, yeah, but did you see what someone else did? Or I— it's, it's not an excuse.

Yeah.

Yeah. Just bad behavior.

It is. So, and it's, I mean, like, it's the problem. Like, here's, here's my problem with it is you, he's actually doing some other stuff that's actually really good.

Yeah, of course.

You know?

Yes.

Like, he's working on, like, I think he signed, like, an executive order or something the other day about, uh, large corporations owning residential homes. I think there was something like that.

Okay.

I mean, like, I hear, like, I don't pay close attention to what's going on all the time.

Sure.

But like, I see stuff from time to time, like, oh, that's really good.

Yeah.

Oh, that's really good.

Yeah.

You know, like when all this stuff was happening in Minneapolis, I mean, like that, rather than just making it a media campaign, actually called the governor, called the mayor, and, you know, tried to figure out something to do, which all that stuff is just nuts, by the way.

Yeah, it is.

Um, and I mean, just great. That, that's, that's the thing, man, is like, it doesn't matter what it is, it's gonna get polarized at this point.

Of course.

Um, of course. And I, I don't know, and, and I think a lot of people wanna say, well, that's because of Trump. And I don't think that's the case.

It's, well, that's an easy answer for everything, isn't it?

That's a yeah, but for everybody.

Exactly.

You know, it's like, oh yeah, but like Trump's this way, so I get to behave however I want. It's like, no, that's not how this works.

No.

Like you are expected to be civilized. Right. Um, and not be violent.

Right.

Um, and cause all kinds of problems.

Yeah.

So it's, it's just, it's, it's a really weird, uh, sort of mental hole that we've dug ourselves into where we, everyone feels justified to behave like morons.

Yeah. Yep.

Because everyone else is behaving like morons.

Here we go again. Right. It's a vicious cycle.

It is. And it's like, it's got to stop somewhere.

Yeah.

And I don't think people know, unless you decide, all right, they can be morons. I'm not going to be a moron. I'm not going to. But once we all decide, hey, we're all going to be morons, well, that's when civil wars happen. Yeah. So, and a lot of people are like, a lot of people are saying we're in the middle of a soft civil war.

Maybe. So, uh, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

So, but like, you, you add that to the general feeling and, and, and, and you know this because you see some of the comments that we get on our stuff.

Yeah.

Like one of our, one of our best performing little clips that's out there right now is, is me talking about people just need to be okay with affording a less Yeah. A, a house smaller than what they think that they deserve.

Yeah.

You know, and how, you know, maybe, maybe that starter home just needs to be your forever home because—

Exactly.

You know, you can actually, you know, generate some generational wealth by not expanding into a bigger house that you don't really need.

Right.

Um, and some people, uh, took that as encouraging. Mm-hmm. And slightly, you know, as a, as a way in a, in an affirmation of what they're pursuing.

Mm-hmm.

of having a better financial future for their family.

Right.

Other people took that as, well, it doesn't matter because I can't afford a house anyway.

It's— yeah. They definitely took it as, like, a shot.

Yeah.

There were no shots fired. I promise.

I mean, like, look. Look. Shots fired.

Fine.

I don't care.

But not at that.

Well, you and your limited belief that—

well, there's That's a whole different topic. Limiting beliefs is a whole different topic.

But, like, that is a general— that it's a growing consensus among our fellow countrymen and women is that it— what was once believed to be the dream is now unattainable.

Yeah.

Which is silly.

No, it absolutely is still attainable, but also we have to understand that that target has moved.

Sure.

And it didn't just because it moved doesn't mean you have to move it.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, it's like, it's like just because someone says this is so doesn't mean that it is.

Right.

And, and you can still make it be something different.

Right.

And, and oh, by the way, the other thing that is just so true about life is most of the time, whenever you feel a certain way, you are not the only one that feels that way.

Mm-hmm.

There's just so many other people are unwilling to say it or haven't chosen to say it yet. So sometimes you need to be the catalyst to go, look, it's okay for this, and everybody else is going, oh, thank goodness.

But this, you know, this is the problem, man, is it is a limiting belief that you can't own a home. It just, it simply is.

It is. No.

I, I, and I don't care how much money you're making right now. I don't, I don't, I don't care about any of that because all of that can change.

Uh-huh.

Like, within weeks, honestly. Sure. Yeah. And You know, when people like come at us with like, well, you guys are stupid because you don't understand my plight. I like my initial reaction to that is not anger or frustration because someone's like critiquing us.

Right. I don't care.

My initial reaction is I want to encourage that person because they have been fed a line of thinking that limits their ability to achieve anything.

Sure.

You know, because they've been told time and time again, real estate's too, too expensive. Real estate's too expensive. You're not making enough money. You'll never be able to have kids. You'll never be able to get married. And you won't be able to afford this, and you won't be able to get a new car. And you, ba ba ba ba ba ba ba, all the way down the line. Like, you can't do all these things.