Aggies, Biden, and Broken Bow

This is episode number 305 of The Homeowner Show. Whether you're DIY or looking to hire, we're here to help you find the best information and options for you and your home. My name is Kevin Hackett, and here with me is Craig. William.

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to The Homeowner Show. We are so glad that you could join us for another live episode here in the studio. How you doing, Kev? You know what?

I'm doing pretty good, man. I had a really good Thanksgiving week. We went to Caddo Lake like we always do. My son caught some fish, some catfish. I filleted up some fish.

Did you?

Yeah.

Did he eat it?

He— dude, he, he loves it.

Nice.

Like, absolutely loves it.

Has he always liked catfish or did he like it because he caught it?

He— no, he hasn't always liked it. And you know my son, he's a little bit of a picky eater. But, uh, you know, if you— if it's fresh, catfish is really good.

It can be.

And, uh, and, you know, I've got a pretty good method of, of cooking it up, and it's not that big of a deal. And, uh, pan fry it.

Yeah. Um, do you have him clean it?

No, I'm— well, I had him watch the entire process.

Okay.

And, uh, we, you know, I, I, uh, showed him everything, how to do it. And maybe next time.

Maybe next time.

But I wanted him to be able to eat it. That was the thing. And I knew I was afraid that if he got in there and filleted it up, that we wouldn't get any meat out of it. So I didn't want him to be disappointed because he didn't catch a ton. He caught like 3. So we actually halved it with him and another kid. And so, but I mean, it's like a full meal. Oh, I mean, 3 good-sized, they were good-sized catfish. I mean, they were—

Fish filets, man. People don't realize how filling those things could be.

Oh yeah. Especially, I mean, anything you fry.

Oh, did you fry it?

Yeah, I fried it.

Like pan fried or you breaded it and—

No, I breaded it, but I still fried it in some corn oil. But really simple, nothing too fancy, but it's good. I mean, I got the Zatarain's fish fry box. There you go. And, you know, put some sour cream and mustard together for the binding and dipped it in that and fried it up. It was easy. There you go. Yeah, it's really good. So—

Good mess of catfish, y'all.

Did y'all, I know we're gonna talk about this later, but did y'all get some fish?

Oh yeah.

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So, you know, Thanksgiving, at least in my house growing up, one of the biggest things that could always happen on Thanksgiving Day was the Texas and A&M game.

Yeah. Right behind the Cowboys.

And that was never a big thing. And they're proving that it shouldn't have been anyway.

Right now they are. But it's been, look, That game hasn't happened in 10 years.

13.

That's why I'm saying at least 10 years.

Yeah, at least 10 years. It was 13 years.

It's a long time.

Yeah. So it's been since 2011 was the last one.

Man, it does not feel that long.

I know. No, it was nuts. And so I went to A&M. It's an incredible game and we sucked.

Oh dude.

On Saturday. Well, here's the thing.

It's hard to know. I mean, Yes, I do not think A&M played well. I think they got outcoached. I think they got outplayed.

They got way outcoached. And I think that was actually like the biggest, the biggest issue.

Yeah.

Um, and they shouldn't have been outcoached. Well, Elko's a good coach.

He is.

And I've seen him make good calls in tough situations. I don't know what the hell was wrong with him on Saturday.

Not only that, like, this game was bizarre because Texas did everything they could to give it to them. Yeah, there were multiple Crazy takeaways that happened.

I think there's 2 ways to look at it. I mean, there's like Texas tried to give it to 'em, but like A&M's defense was legit.

Oh yeah.

I mean, you look, I challenge anybody to find another game where the team that had a pick 6, a fumble recovery in the red zone, and a blocked punt Yep. In their territory.

Yep.

Lose the game.

That's, that's what I'm saying. There were multiple takeaways that should have— I mean, and multiple—

And then multiple trips to the red zone that resulted in nothing.

Nothing. I mean, they, they, they had one stop where they were at the like half-yard line.

Yeah.

They went for it, got completely stuffed.

Obliterated.

You're— they didn't even get close.

Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not one of these like Aggie apologists, man. Like, I love my school, but like, that was just stupid.

It was, it was. It was dumb, especially at that point where, I mean, the final score was a 10-point difference. It was 17 to 7.

Right.

You kick a field goal right there. You're within a touchdown. Yep. And still don't know why he didn't kick the field goal. I still don't know why either, because, but you look at what you just said, you had a pick 6, you had a blocked punt, you had, uh, what was the other one?

It was a fumble and recovery in the red zone.

Yeah. And yeah, exactly. That's what it was. And you lose by 10 points.

Yeah.

Like they, they had every opportunity.

That's 20, that's 21 points right there.

Yeah.

That you should have scored.

Sure.

I mean, no, no. And that, that doesn't even count the other 2 times that you actually got to the red zone.

Right.

And then got nothing because you kept going forward on 4th down. Yeah.

They did go forward a lot on 4th down.

Like, here's the thing that, that just pissed me off to no end. I'm, I'm fine. Like you go forward on 4th, you run it up the middle, like good for you.

Yeah.

You do it every time?

Every time they did, up the middle.

And like, look, here's the thing. They, um, I think it was 3 or 4 games ago, I don't remember which game it was. They, they had a running back called—

named Moss.

Okay.

And he is a beast. Yeah.

And he like, no kidding, like legit guaranteed 4 to 6 yards no matter what.

Okay.

I mean, he's just a, just a horse.

Yeah.

And I think they got used to that. And they don't have any other backs like that. They have spry, fast little boogers that can get out on the outside and run.

Well, but they never tried to bounce to the outside. I know.

That's why I'm like, you don't have that running back. And like, you have Emmitt Smith's son.

Right.

Yes. And even he's not a bruiser.

No.

He's a, I mean, like he's an Emmitt Smith style running back.

Yeah, he is.

You know, get in there and bounce around.

But like, that's not what you need when you need like a 4th and a half yard.

You know, a 300-pound fullback to just like run people over.

Yeah.

And like Texas's linebackers are huge and stout and so are their linemen and they just blew them up.

And I loved every minute of it.

Good for you. I did. I like, look, I got real hopeful after that pick 6.

Yeah. Well, you should have. You know, I thought when it was 14-nothing, I was like, I mean, it was, it was ugly. That was— I mean, nobody, nobody had a chance to get him. I mean, that was— it was just a— it was a game-changing opportunity.

Yeah.

And then nothing. They, they just flattened after that.

Right.

I mean, their, their defense kept them in the game. The offense did not do them any favors. Now, now again, I think Texas defense is stout. I think that they've, they've got a great team. I mean, there's a reason that they are where they are, you know, at 11-1. They're— they— I think that they are better than people give them credit for.

I just disagree. But they, they have, like, statistically, they had the easiest schedule in the SEC.

Okay.

Easiest.

Okay.

Like, by far.

And yeah.

Vanderbilt had a harder schedule. Well, I mean, like, Vanderbilt looked pretty good this year. They looked like— yeah. And they still didn't win that much.

No.

And so, like, who did they play? Like, who did they play?

Well, I mean, I— we could go through—

They played Georgia and lost.

Yeah, they did lose to Georgia.

That's the toughest team that they played.

That's the only team. Well, but Georgia is probably the second toughest— I mean, first or second toughest team in—

They've played nothing but cupcakes other than that.

Okay.

I mean, like, who's— like, seriously, bring up their schedule.

Okay, I will. I'll look it up right now. You keep talking.

Yeah, because I mean, like, like, and I'm not saying that they're a bad team. They're a great team.

Yeah.

They're a great team and they have a lot of talent on that team. I'm not saying that they're bad.

Right.

I'm just saying like it's real easy to be 11-1 when you have the schedule that they have.

Sure.

I think they went, it was like, what was their opener? Didn't they play like Michigan?

Well, yeah. So they did. They played Michigan, they beat 'em 31-12.

Uh-huh.

UTSA, that doesn't even count.

Okay.

LA Monroe doesn't even count.

Right.

Mississippi State, 35-13.

They were a nothing team this year.

Oklahoma's horrible.

They killed 'em.

Oklahoma, sucked. They were terrible.

The worst team in the SEC.

Yeah. Okay, which was—

keep going.

We all love that, by the way.

Yes, we do.

Take a moment and just be happy about that.

What, what OU did in the SEC is what everyone expected Texas to do in the SEC this year, which would have happened, I think, had they actually played anybody. Continue.

Yeah. All right, so then, uh, of course they lost to Georgia, and they played Vanderbilt.

Okay.

And beat them by 3 points.

Beat them by 3 points.

Yeah.

And Vanderbilt had— it was What's their record right now?

Oh goodness, I'd have to go look. I don't even know.

I think they just got like bowl eligible.

Vanderbilt is— I don't even know. I don't know what they are.

Okay, sorry. But like Vanderbilt, really, really good this year for Vanderbilt.

Yeah, no, for Vanderbilt they did great.

And they have a stout defense and they beat them by 3.

Yeah, sorry, carry on. And they played Florida.

Okay, nothing. Florida stunk this year.

Then they played Arkansas.

Okay, also not great.

Not great.

Never is great, is middle of the road at best.

Always.

Okay.

We can also stop there for a minute and just relish in how great that is. Okay. And then, and then they played Kentucky, horrible. Okay.

They're not any good. Kentucky, always the worst football team in the— usually tied with Vanderbilt.

Vanderbilt.

Okay.

Yeah.

Carry on.

And then A&M.

And then A&M.

But they, but they did handle, they did handle A&M.

No, they didn't.

Well, yeah, but I mean, they did.

That's the problem. That's what I'm saying is like, it's not even like it's a signature win because it's a rivalry game and they beat them in Kyle Field. I will give them that. Sure. But they didn't blow them out of the water.

No.

And so like their signature win is against A&M, who isn't that great.

Yeah. And now they got to go play Georgia again.

Who they've already lost to.

They've already lost to.

And they're going to lose to them again.

Well, they probably will. I, I, I don't disagree with you. I will tell you the best thing that I think that Texas did, and they did not do this all game.

Okay.

But when they were flipping Ewers and Manning back and forth.

Yeah.

That was a, that was a stout duo. You know, you, you put, you put Manning in and those, those clutch run situations.

Let me, let me add to that.

He's hard to get down.

Because I haven't watched Texas all this, all that much. And like Manning started the season, didn't he?

No. Well, he did, but that was just— you— that was— there were some situational reasons why that happened.

And I actually think what they're doing is what A&M should be doing.

Yeah, they're, they're, they are. They're grooming him in a smart way. Part, part of the reason that he, that he played as much as he did in the beginning is because they were playing these junk teams.

Uh-huh.

And so they were giving him some reps.

Oh, because my question is, can he not throw?

Oh no, he can.

But I guess he does. I mean, I assume he can throw well.

He can.

Is he not a good passer?

No, no, he absolutely is fine at passing.

Okay.

But you've got Ewers, who is the, the more seasoned quarterback.

He's a veteran.

He's a veteran.

Yeah.

And so he's proven. And so they're giving him that opportunity. He, he actually, he has the, the accuracy of Peyton.

Uh-huh.

And he has the legs of his grandpa.

Yeah, he does have legs. I'll give him that.

And that's what Archie was known for. Yeah, he was known for being a runner. Peyton was known for just throwing dimes. And so he's, he's kind of the best of both worlds. He's got everything laid out for him.

Is, is Ewers, is he leaving? Is he done? He—

well, I think that he's I think that he will. I, yes, I think he's gonna be dra— he's, he's gonna go into the draft.

Right. What, what I was saying is what I, what I think Tech, what Texas is doing is what I think A&M should have done is because they, they went one or the other because, yeah, because they have that kid, what's his name? Um, he was like the number one quarterback in his class that year.

I, oh man, I don't even know.

And he got, he got hurt and they brought Reed in.

Yeah. Reed's the one who, you know, he's their number one guy.

And then And he's the one that when the guy got, what's that kid's name?

Golly. I'm gonna look.

Anyway.

Oh, was it Connor Wigman?

Wigman.

Yeah. R-E-R-W-E-I. Is it Wigman? Wigman.

Wigman, something like that.

Yeah, Connor. Anyway.

That's his name. Yeah. I mean, really highly touted quarterback. I think he's from Texas. Anyway, I think he was like number 1. like the number 1 quarterback from that year. But anyway, he got healthy again and started the LSU game and they were down 21-nothing at the half. They brought Reed back in. That was that big comeback that they made. And they were like, oh, so Reed just needs to be the guy now. And I was like, no, no. Like, he's good.

He's good.

But like, like, Wiegman's like a better quarterback.

Yes.

And so like, if you had like a tandem like that that you could work, you know, bring him in in situations, I think it'd be really good.

It keeps, it keeps them fresh, but it also plays to their strengths.

Yeah.

And, and this, you know, this type of system where you're, you're playing, you know, this, this dual quarterback situation, I think it works.

I think it works too, you know. I, and I think the only reason I think it worked out for A&M is they lost their big running back, and once they lost him, it made sense to keep Reed in because, I mean, he's so mobile.

Yeah, he's got the legs, but just not on Saturday. No. He got shut down multiple times.

Okay. But like, you, you, you did not respond to my accusation about their schedule. Yeah.

I mean, granted, they did not play Alabama. Nope. They didn't play—

they didn't play LSU.

They didn't play Tennessee. They didn't play LSU. They didn't play a lot of these teams that were they were good this season.

None of them. They played none of them.

No, they didn't.

And don't, don't tell me that, like, that wasn't part of the negotiation for, like, their first season coming to the SEC. Oh, I'm sure it was. I know enough about Texas.

I'm sure it was.

Like, that was— they dialed that schedule up.

I'm sure.

This is who we want to play.

I'm sure.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the SEC wanted Texas.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, it was— they are a desirable team to have in, in your conference.

They may live to regret it, but—

Well, you— But you know what? Who in the West— not calling Texas the West, but who in the West is worth anything? I mean, Texas A&M is the closest and they've never done great.

Yeah. Everyone at OU hates you right now. But who?

OU?

Is it? No, I mean, look, I mean, like, I can't— I can't stand them, but they're a valuable asset.

Well, they are too. But I'm just saying, like, they— they needed someone on this side of their conference. to be decent. And LSU hasn't been decent in a while. Arkansas hasn't been decent in a while. Missouri flat out sucks.

Well, they started out strong.

Well, they did.

Were they number 9?

Yeah, but they've never really come along.

Blossomed? No.

And so now you've got this row all the way up and down the left edge of the SEC with Texas A&M, OU, and all of those teams have the ability to be really good.

Yeah.

Because guess where they all recruit from? Texas.

Texas. Well, although—

There's a lot of really, really good players in Texas.

Did you, did you see that stat from Saturday night?

Which one?

About how many of their kids were from Texas?

Yeah.

Only like 60%.

Yeah.

Yeah. Which was surprising to me.

It was to me too.

So I mean, like, they're, I mean, that's the other thing is like they're recruiting across the country.

They are.

I mean, they're, I mean, they're, they're all—

So—

They're national brands.

Texas, Texas over its lifetime, and I, I, I would need to go research this to make sure this is 100% true. Over its lifetime, Texas has recruited better than any other school in history.

Over time? Yeah.

I mean, they have been one of the top recruiting schools ever. I mean, just unbelievably good at recruiting.

I think they fell steep before they got Sarkisian.

It was right, yeah, the end of Mack Brown's Who took over for— I can't remember his name. Yeah.

See, that tells you everything you need to know right there.

Yeah. I can't remember his name all of a sudden.

He's pretty terrible.

He's a big dude. Real big dude. Yeah. I can't remember his name. It's okay. Doesn't matter.

Yep. Doesn't matter. He's not there anymore.

Doesn't matter. Nope. Not at all.

But anyway, yeah, it was a rough night for me. Yeah. Mostly because that's the closest A&M's come to playing for the SEC championship.

Yeah, they had the chance.

They had, I mean, like, look, they had every opportunity.

They did.

So I mean, home field advantage.

And that home field advantage is tough, man.

Yeah.

Like, I've been to a few games there and I actually sat in the student section during a Texas Tech game once, which was real rough. It is a force to be reckoned with. That atmosphere is unlike— it may be, it may be the best college atmosphere in all of college football.

It's, it's, it's up there.

I mean, like, Michigan with the Big House, that's an unbelievable place to play as well.

LSU is pretty rough.

LSU's rough. OSU, Ohio State's a tough place to play as well.

I'll tell you, an underrated one is South Carolina.

Oh yeah, you're not wrong about that.

So Tennessee's, Tennessee's pretty good too.

Yeah.

Um, but like there's, there's nothing like, uh, Kyle Field.

It's not.

I mean, there's just—

I mean, if you've ever— I mean, those people that have not been there, you've never seen a stadium where you're in, you're up in the 3rd deck and you feel like you're in the middle of the field.

Yeah.

I mean, it is straight up.

Yeah.

It is a weird feeling being in that stadium. But it just brings all of the sound just straight down.

Yeah.

It's unbelievable.

Well, and if you can imagine, I went to school there before it was closed in.

Oh yeah.

Before it was a full bowl.

I remember that. That was my first time to be there was during college. And it—

They probably had the zone.

They did.

The north end done.

Yeah.

But not the south zone.

Yes.

And once they closed that thing in, dude, it got even worse. worse.

Yep.

And I say worse like in really good. Yeah. I mean, like, it's just a place you don't want to play on a Saturday.

No, you're right.

But it didn't seem to faze Texas at all. So, so which, I mean, I think that's part of why I'm like, look, they're, they're a good team. I still don't think they're going to beat Georgia.

Yeah. I know. Well, I mean, they got, they got— it was a weird low-scoring game the first time they played.

But, but like Texas, Texas has had low-scoring games every game this season.

Well, no, they've scored a bunch of points.

I don't think—

Against not great teams.

I think anybody else, unless you start looking at teams outside the SEC, I think they've hung out around 20.

Yeah, let me go. I'll look again. I mean, when I was looking at their—

I think there was one game where they scored 40-something.

20, 31, 49, 27.

Who'd they score 49 against? Florida. Okay.

27 Vanderbilt, 34 Oklahoma.

They blew out Oklahoma though, didn't they?

Mississippi State. Yeah. Well, yeah, 34 to 3, 35 against Mississippi State, 51. Once you get down to these other teams, yeah, 51 against LA Monroe, 56 UTSA. But, you know, 31, you know, 20 against Arkansas. So they're, they're probably averaging somewhere around 30.

Okay.

So they're still scoring a decent amount. But the better teams, A&M, they scored 17.

Yeah.

Against Georgia, they only scored 15. So. Right.

When they— that's the thing is I think when they face an actual defense, they kind of crumble.

Yeah. Which again tells you—

And did you see, okay, here's the other 2 things. And I'm not taking anything away from them. But like both touchdowns had to be reviewed.

Yeah. Well, they were bad calls. They were bad calls. They were, they were easily bad.

I mean, as far as like not called on the field?

Yes.

The, well, the, uh, the one with, um—

In the corner?

No, the one with the pylon.

Oh, that was, yeah, that was, that should have been called immediately.

But the, no, the, what made that a difficult call is that it wasn't, the football didn't cross the line.

And it didn't matter.

I know it doesn't matter, but like, if you're the line judge, if you see the football go out of bounds—

It doesn't matter. It's easy.

From his perspective, it looks like the football goes out of bounds before he hits the pylon.

It doesn't matter. The, the— if it goes out of bounds, it does not matter. The goal line is extended forever and ever and ever.

I know, I know the goal line's extended, but if the football goes out of bounds before he touches the pylon, it's not a touchdown.

Yes, it absolutely is.

No, because—

no, but it's the—

Because the football's out of bounds.

No, the ball doesn't matter. But if the ball out of bounds doesn't matter.

But here's what I'm saying. Okay. Is if the ball goes out of bounds, if it's, if he sees it as being out of bounds. Yeah. That's, that's a down ball.

False.

That's not false.

Yes, it is.

No.

I, I officiated this game for 21 years and I know what I'm talking about.

There's no way that that's true.

It absolutely is. How is it? The ball can be out of bounds as long as your feet are in bounds.

Okay. It's not out of bounds. Then I'm, then I'm saying it wrong. Okay. If the ball is down, out of bounds before he touches the pylon.

But it wasn't.

I understand it wasn't. Okay, what— that's what I'm saying is if the ball is down out of bounds before he touches the pylon, it's not a touchdown.

Yeah.

Right? And that's what I think he saw.

I don't know how he did. Yeah, he was wrong. There's no way he could have. It was just a— it was—

it's because— it's because the ball was in his outside hand.

Yeah.

And that's why. No, but not again, it's not, I'm not saying he made the right call.

No, he didn't.

He didn't make the right call.

It was an easy call for him to have made.

That's a difficult call.

Here's, no, it wasn't. Here's the, no, I promise. I played, I was that position. It's not that difficult to play. The thing is, and this is one of the beefs I have with review, is that it is very easy to play to review. To call the game to review.

You mean to call the plays? Yes. Okay.

To call to the review.

Right.

It is easier to rule something a fumble and let review overturn it.

Okay.

Than it is to see the ball touch the ground with possession and know that it's down. It's easier to call it to review.

Oh, so you're saying he was playing it safe?

Yes.

Well, that makes sense to me.

Yeah.

I would do this exact same thing.

No. It, that's, that's the way, that's the way officials are coached to, to do it, to, to let it go to review.

Sure.

So it should, it still should have been called touchdown. It was, it was an easy, easy call.

Why, why do you have a beef with review then?

I don't like review at all.

So, so then you think the game should have been 7 to 7 and gone into overtime?

No. Oh, you're— no, I think, I think they should have, I think they should have made the right call to begin with.

Well, okay, that's fair because— but like they wouldn't have.

Well, they— he should have.

But that's what I'm saying. He should have. It would've been 7 to 3.

But if they're not coached—

Well, if you play it to the review— I'm saying it would've been 7 to 3. I don't know that they probably would've scored something.

I will tell you the one in the end, the one in the corner, the next one that they had to review, that one was a difficult— that was a difficult call.

I remember, I don't remember the circumstances of that one. Well, it was a pick.

I remember the other. He barely caught the ball. He caught it as he was falling backwards out of the end zone. And it was hard to tell whether his foot was in whenever he caught the ball because he caught the ball almost on the ground. He wasn't on the ground, but he was out of the back of the end zone and his foot was—

It was like one foot down or something like that.

His, his left foot was still in the end zone and there was a player right on top of him. So that one was a difficult— yeah, that was a difficult call to make. I can completely see why that one would have been called incorrectly. In real time, I thought that he did not catch that ball in. I really, in real time, I didn't think so. The first one, poor call. So it was, there, there's no way if the ball, if the ball touches the pylon, mm-hmm, it's touchdown as long as his foot is not outta bounds anytime.

Yeah. Or like, or if his knee wasn't down before it touched the pylon.

Yeah. But it, it was, and it was just so clear that it wasn't. Well, I think in the review, but in, in the replay, it, well, the thing is the way, the way that works is you've got, you've got to be official.

Because like I had, I had to watch it like 5 or 6 times before I was like, it's getting called a touchdown.

Well, so the way, The way that should have been called, so there's the lineman and then there's the guy at the goal line.

Right.

The guy at the goal line, all he has to do is— Just makes the call. He makes the call, but all he has to do is look down at the lineman and ask him if his foot was, if he was in bounds the entire time. As long as his knee, his leg, his foot, whatever, never went outta bounds, then it's totally, it's an easy call to make.

Right.

There is, there is communication there. It's, it's a, it's a very easy call to make.

Right. So, so like, if I understand it correctly, like if he's got the ball in his outside arm and his elbow touches out of bounds.

Mm-hmm.

And then he touches the pylon.

Yeah. That would be, that would, yes. That would be him out of bounds.

Yeah.

Yes. That would be him out of bounds. But as long as none of his body parts touch out of bounds and the ball goes over, even if the ball never touches the pylon, if it goes outside of the pylon.

Well, yeah, he just has to stick his other arm out.

No, just the ball has to cross even out of, even in the out of bounds. If the ball crosses the goal line out of bounds and he stays in bounds, it's touchdown.

Okay, I see what you're saying.

'Cause his goal line extended forever and ever and ever.

Yeah, 'cause his foot could be like at the 1 and he sticks the ball over the line on the left-hand side of the pylon.

Exactly. Yeah, and it's still a touchdown.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's—

Why is it that way? That doesn't—

The goal line is extended forever, forever and ever and ever. It's just the way it, the way the rule is. Huh. And so, you know, that's why it just—

That seems like a weird rule to me. Well, I'm not arguing the rule. I just, sure. It seems like a weird rule.

It, yeah, it's just, it, it's just the way it's—

Especially like if you're in like the back of the end zone, like you still have to have a foot in.

Yeah. No, no, those are hard lines. Those are, those, those lines are hard lines.

I, I know, but the way, the way, the way the rule works is you don't actually have to cross the goal line.

You just, the ball just does.

In the air. Like you don't actually have to go to the end zone. You just have to cross into the goal line or the—

The ball has to. The ball has to. Yeah. Even if you're standing in the end zone and the ball is out in the field of play, then it's not touchdown.

Yeah. I mean, I get it if you're like, if you're standing in the end zone and you catch the ball outside of the end zone.

Yeah.

That makes sense to me.

In fact, this is a really interesting, In college football, it's not this way in the NFL. It's a different rule. But on a punt, if a player is standing in the end zone and catches a ball in front of his body and downs it and it never crosses, that ball never crosses the goal line, but he's standing in the end zone and he downs it, it's still on the field of play. If he's standing in the end zone looking at the ball coming in and he catches it in the field of play. On like the 1-yard line.

Yeah.

and then he puts it down and he's standing in the end zone, it's the ball, it's not the player. In the NFL, it's the player. If the player is anywhere in the end zone, it's dead.

I gotcha.

But that's because in college, and this is the whole thing and why I'm saying this is an easier call than people made it out to be on that first one. It's all about where the ball is. Now, your body has to be in bounds, obviously, but it really is about whether the ball is across the goal line.

So interesting.

Yep, man. Either way, I, I don't like replay. I, I think that the, the officials get it right most of the time. And if they weren't playing to the review, it would be, it would be an easier game to call in many ways. But, but, you know, reviews have, reviews have changed a lot of things. Changed a lot. And what I, I think—

Turned the tides on some games. It has.

And one of the things that frustrates me about review is that whenever you're reviewing a play, you can only review the thing that the review is called into play. So there was, there was a specific game that I was watching this year, just happened to be Texas Tech. But there was a, there was a targeting call that was made. And so they were reviewing the targeting call.

Right.

During the targeting call, there was a, I mean, on the player that was getting targeted, A massive face mask ripped his, ripped his helmet all the way to the side.

Hadn't been called.

Had not been called. And they could not put that on. And I'm like, look, this is a— you've deemed that a personal foul, a 15-yard penalty.

Yeah.

And it was a very, very obvious thing and it didn't get called. You ought to be able to put that on.

Like, isn't—

but they can't.

Isn't face mask a personal foul?

I mean, like, it is.

Okay.

It's a 15— yeah, it's a 15-yard penalty. That's what I'm saying. You've made it an injury-prone penalty, a 15-yard massive penalty, and you're reviewing a targeting, a massive penalty.

Okay.

And you weren't—

you're saying—

and you weren't allowed to correct your wrong call on something that you have— that the league has deemed as a personal, like, injury type of play. That's why I'm like, okay, review needs to be able to review everything or nothing. Yeah, but I— it's— it is what it is. It's never going away.

Yeah.

And with high definition, you can see just about everything.

Yeah. You're not hiding nothing.

You're not hiding nothing.

And they've got like 5 angles. They do.

Yeah, they do. And so, you know, with replay being what it is, I, you know, it's not that I don't think that the NCAA is trying to make it like a problem. They're trying to make it more accurate.

Right.

And I get that. I just don't like it. But anyway, it is what it is.

It is what it is.

Yep.

So it was fun to talk about. It's fun game to watch. Yeah. Well, so I wanted to get your take on that. Did you hear Biden pardoned his son?

Oh, I did.

Yeah, I did. Well, what do you think?

Well, we— first of all, this is the— I think the irony of all of it is that, like, right as the election was happening last this last cycle, all of this mess about the computer and about all of this stuff was coming out. And he was very adamant about that. That's not what you think it is. It's not like he didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. My family didn't do anything wrong.

Right.

And there's, you know, whatever they're saying is just accusations and lies and falsities. And here we are at the end of his cycle, and now he's got to pardon him for the fact that it was all legit.

Well, that's not it. That's, that's not what he ended up getting convicted on.

Oh, it's not?

No.

Okay, well, educate me then.

He got, he got convicted on like an illegal gun purchase. No, it was, it was kind of like, um, of course, uh, what's the guy that they ended up convicting on like taxes? Oh, uh, it's the mobster. Yeah, it's what they always do. It's like if they can't get you for the thing they want to get you for, they're going to find taxes. They'll get you for something.

Right.

So, and it was, it was, it was some other stuff.

So it's okay. Well, it's pretty hilarious. It's a gun law then.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, that was, that was the big one.

Of course Kamala's gonna kill anybody coming to her house though. But that's, that's all—

She showed him how to use it. Right. Uh, well, and like, man, you, you say Kamala and that kind of triggers me on— I was watching some some commentators on the right talk about, man, I can't ever say her name right.

Kamala.

Kamala. Thank you. She had a Thanksgiving message that she put out.

Oh, I didn't see this.

And people were like, she's drunk.

Oh, I believe it.

And I watched it and I was like, that sounds like all of her other speeches.

I was going to say, well, I mean, the speculation is, and again, I don't know this, it's complete speculation, but the speculation is the reason she didn't come in and come out and congratulate Trump is because she was wasted.

Toasted.

Yeah.

Maybe.

Speculation.

Who knows?

Yeah.

I don't care.

It doesn't matter.

Yeah. I mean, I'd probably be doing some drinking if I just lost the biggest election of my life.

Yeah.

But with the Hunter Biden stuff, man, one, we have him on camera saying, I'll never pardon him.

I won't interfere.

And so I think, I think there's a couple of things going on here. One, I think this is like a stiff double middle finger to Kamala and the Democrats.

Really?

I really do. Yeah.

I mean, like, he's like, look, I had the opportunity to—

you guys forced me out.

Forced me out.

And so, so, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to like you. You forced me out because you said I wasn't mentally stable. Fine.

Watch what I can do.

Yeah, I'll do this and make it like I'll do this hypocritical thing. And so like you guys have no moral ground to stand on because you'll have to defend me, right? You're not not going to defend me.

That's an interesting take.

And so I can do whatever I want.

Yeah.

And so I'm going to pardon Hunter. And so, and so there's, there's another— there's— I think there's a couple of things going on here. I think it's 2 stiff middle fingers to the Democrats and to Kamala. I also think it's a dad that legit cares about his son.

I can believe that. Yep.

I can believe that. And whatever you think about the man, he lost a wife and a child in a car accident. And then he lost another child, I think to cancer.

You'd have to do some research because I don't remember.

I think it was a disease that took Beau.

Yeah. I know it was a sickness, but I don't remember if it was cancer specifically.

Regardless of what it was, he lost 2 children, a wife, and he has 1 son left. And that son is going nuts with drugs and hookers. And now he's in trouble and he's looking at a long prison sentence. And everyone thinks that I'm full-on dementia anyway. I'm gonna pardon him. Like 25th Amendment me. I don't care.

Yeah, who cares?

Wait, what are you gonna— like seriously, what are they gonna do? Impeach him?

For a month? Who cares? I mean, they did it to Trump, but they—

well, yeah, um, they did.

I know.

Um, but, and they, they might.

They might.

I don't think they will. No, it's not worth their time.

No.

Or like their political power that they would use to expedite something like that. They're not going to mess with it.

Nope. Neither one of those 2 men, Joe or Hunter, are going to matter. No, they don't matter at all.

No, like Hunter's never gonna hold political office.

No, he never will.

And Joe's done.

Right.

So like, what does he care?

No, doesn't matter. It's not worth their time.

No, and like, look, Joe's not gonna be getting paid gobs of money to make speeches anyway.

No, no, he's not.

He's not gonna be writing any books.

Nope.

What does he have to lose?

Nothing.

Yeah.

He's gonna make his $250 grand or whatever it is a year for the rest of his life and be happy.

Yeah, like look, Republicans can bitch and moan all they want about this. Yeah. Like, why?

Doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter.

Like, are you so bloodthirsty to see Hunter go to prison?

Well, I'm not saying— I'm not saying it's a—

I'm not saying it's a—

I told you so type of thing.

And it might be, you know, and it could be like an I told you so kind of thing. And like, I'm not saying that I don't think he did anything wrong.

I think he did gobs of stuff wrong. Yeah.

But like, this is our political system.

Yeah.

The president is allowed to pardon people.

He is.

And he's also, I don't know if y'all realize this, he's allowed to lie.

Oh yeah, he is.

There's no law against lying.

Nope.

I mean, there's perjury when you're under oath.

Yeah.

But you can lie all you want.

Sure. Yeah, and it's funny you say that because we even talked about the scenario of Trump being thrown in prison while the election goes and him winning.

And then pardoning himself. And then pardoning himself.

Like, or if he couldn't do it, then his vice president would pardon him for him.

Yeah.

Like, like, yeah. I mean, it's funny because we talked about this and then now full circle.

And now, well, not only that, like, what have you watched happen with his cases? Oh, judges have been dropping them.

They have.

Because they're like, there's no point.

It doesn't matter.

Like, because what's he gonna do? He's gonna get in office and pardon himself.

Right.

Because again, what does he have to lose?

Nothing.

He's, He's—

it's his second term.

He can't run again.

No.

He's gonna do everything he wants to do.

Yes, he is.

So, and we're gonna find out real quick what that is.

Yeah, I know, I know that that was a lot of people's concern.

Mm-hmm. Oh, political revenge?

When I say a lot of people, I kind of have to temper myself because a lot of people voted for him. A whole lot of people voted for him.

I heard it was the first time a Republican won the popular vote since 1994.

Oh, and he won by quite a bit.

Quite a bit.

I mean, it is as much of a modern-day landslide as we've had.

Oh yeah.

I mean, I don't know if it's considered a landslide.

It was the most decisive presidential election I can remember since Reagan.

Yeah.

I mean, 'cause—

Can you remember Reagan?

I can, unfortunately. You weren't very old. I wasn't very old, but I can remember it.

Yeah.

And I remember Herbert Walker, man. I mean, like, and that was a tight race.

Yeah.

You know? I'd have to go back and look at the numbers, see what he got on that. 'Cause he, I mean, like, he won, but like, and, but he lost the second one.

Yeah, he did.

So it wasn't all that great.

No.

Well, there's, I honestly, Bill Clinton was just a better candidate.

He was. It's hard to say.

No, it's not. I mean, like, look, I mean, like, he's an Arkansas fan. He always went to school in Little Rock. Not Little Rock. Hot Springs.

He went to Hot Springs.

Yeah.

He grew up. Well, he grew up in Hope. So he grew up in Hope, Texas. I mean, Hope, Arkansas.

Yeah. So anyway, I went to someplace really close to Arkansas.

You did?

Yeah.

You did?

So we bucked the system this year and spent Thanksgiving in Oklahoma.

Dude, I wanna hear because first of all, you did something a little unprecedented, which is you didn't spend time with anybody's family but your own immediate family.

But my own immediate family.

For Thanksgiving.

Yep.

How was it?

It was awesome, man. I mean, I missed my family. I missed some of our Thanksgiving traditions.

Yeah. But okay. But for you, different than some people, I mean, you live with your in-laws on the same piece of property.

Right.

And up until a year ago, your mom and dad were co-owners in a business.

Right.

And they've still got ownership and, well, sort of, but they're still part of the business.

I mean, they're around.

They're around. I mean, your office is at their house.

Yep.

So I mean, you're around— Town property.

Yeah.

You're around them all the time.

We're intertwined with our families massively.

Yeah. So not getting to spend time with your mom and dad or or your wife's mom and dad on Thanksgiving or Christmas or whatever, it's not as big of a deal as someone whose parents live a long ways away.

Yeah. When you see 'em like that 1 or 2 times a year.

Correct.

Yeah. I mean, we see 'em all the time, but—

And your siblings are close too.

Yeah.

I mean, you work with your sister and yeah. I mean, so it's—

Yeah. All but 1 sibling on both sides is in town.

Yeah. So that's a unique situation.

It is. Yeah, it is. We started at the beginning of November, we started looking at our calendar and it was like, look, once December 1st hits, we are stacked to the rafters till Christmas Day. I mean, it's just, and I'm not kidding, man. It's nonstop with events and fundraisers and Concerts.

There's stuff.

Stuff.

Yeah.

And it's like all stuff that requires our presence.

Yeah.

Which it's all good stuff.

Yeah, it's wonderful stuff.

And we had to have a conversation that's like, look, we need to talk about this stuff like we're excited about it because otherwise we're gonna get put in the booby hatch real quick.

Yeah.

Just from, I mean, it's just a lot.

Sure.

And so we're blessed in that, organizations and individuals require our presence in order for these events to happen. That's a good thing. But we are preparing ourselves to be exhausted from Christmas to the New Year's. I mean, just because it's literally nonstop.

Yeah.

It's more for my wife than me. And we were just kind of talking about it and we said, look, Thanksgiving is the only time we can find in our schedule business-wise, ministry-wise, charity-wise, that we're going to have any downtime. And if we're here, we're going to be trying to take care of our family and cook for them and host them and be with them. And it's not that we don't love them, it's just like, it's a lot. We can't go into that season tired.

No.

And so the best thing we could figure is to just take our little family and go out of town. And we relax most when we're hiking and hunting and fishing and just being outdoors.

Right.

And I mean, we can do that here, but we were both honest enough with ourselves that if we're here, we're gonna be engaged with whatever's going on.

Yeah.

So we hitched up the wagon and we went up to Broken Bow.

Cool.

Got a cabin and we were there for 5 days. And we went to a restaurant for Thanksgiving.

That sounds awesome.

It was awesome. It's actually, you've been to the restaurant that we went to.

Oh, really?

It's the one in the park.

Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a Thanksgiving buffet that you had to buy tickets for in advance and it was awesome.

Okay.

For like our entire family of 5, it cost us $150 to be there Thanksgiving Day.

Dude.

Yeah.

What?

Yeah, it was awesome.

My wife and I can't go to dinner for that much almost anymore.

And so it was prime rib. It was 2 different kinds of turkey, ham, chicken fried chicken.

Oh my goodness.

Green beans, mashed potatoes, dressing, pie. I mean, mac and cheese, bread. I mean, like just everything you'd want from Thanksgiving. And it's not the way my mama would make it, you know, but like I didn't have to cook it. I didn't have to do any dishes.