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Thanks ya’ll! We have recorded our 200th episode. This has a been an amazing journey and we have loved every moment. This episode recaps a lot of our favorite episodes and we discuss some of the things we’ve learned. There’s a lot more in the tank too – in some ways, we’re just getting started. Thanks for accompanying us on the journey and stay tuned for some new, incredible content from The Homeowners Show.

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KEVIN

This is episode number 200 of The Homeowner Show.

CRAIG

200!

KEVIN

Whether you're DIY or looking to hire, we're here to help you find the best information and options for you and your home. My name is Kevin Haggett. Here with me is Craig Williams.

CRAIG

It's 200, y'all! Hello, hello, hello! Welcome, dude. We've done this 200 times.

KEVIN

100 times. And I venture to guess that somebody is watching this right now, hopefully, or listening.

CRAIG

You know what? We did it. We did it.

KEVIN

Congratulations, us.

CRAIG

We did it, man.

KEVIN

Somehow.

CRAIG

That's insane.

KEVIN

Who literally— did you honestly, if you're being 100%—

CRAIG

No, whatever you're about to say, no, I didn't think we could do it. No, no.

KEVIN

I mean, okay, here's, here's first question of the night.

CRAIG

Uh-huh.

KEVIN

How many episodes did you legitimately think we would get through?

CRAIG

Maybe 50.

KEVIN

50?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

I, I was less than that.

CRAIG

I was optimistic. I was optimistically thinking 50.

KEVIN

Yeah. And, and I, I, I would have loved if we— if you started off the first time going, okay, 50, I probably— because we had a list. Uh-huh. We had a list. And I think the list was probably 30.

CRAIG

Yeah, it was about— yeah, it was about 30, 30 topics.

KEVIN

Yeah, something like that. And so like, I, I feel like we, we kind of had some sort of an idea of what we were gonna do. Um, but do you remember, do you remember how the first episode, like how it happened?

CRAIG

In my living room?

KEVIN

Well, yeah, it was definitely in your living room, but like we had been talking about it for what, like 2 weeks?

CRAIG

Something like that. Yeah. And I remember a lot of planning.

KEVIN

A lot of planning. Like, I remember we, we were having lunch over at Deacon Baldy's, and you were like, hey, man, I've got this, I've got this crazy idea. Um, I've been thinking about doing a podcast. And I, I'd been listening to podcasts for a little while, right? And I was like, really? What on earth? So we— anyway, long story short, we— you were like, I'm thinking about doing this. And I was like, I'll do it with you.

CRAIG

Uh-huh.

KEVIN

You're like, sure, let's do it. And then so we brainstormed for a week, maybe 2.

CRAIG

Uh-huh.

KEVIN

And I remember you said, um, well, we need to record an episode then. And I was like, sure, we need to probably figure out what we're gonna do for that. And I was— and you said, let's do it now.

CRAIG

Mm-hmm.

KEVIN

Like, I was like, now? And you're like, yeah, tonight. I was like, what? Wait, about what? And you're like, you're like, I don't know, just come over. And we'll do it.

CRAIG

That sounds like me.

KEVIN

And it does. What's funny is when I was talking to your mom the other day, and I said something to her about this, and she goes, that sounds just like Craig. And I was like, yeah, you just like do it. Just jump in, man. What's the worst that could happen, right?

CRAIG

Yeah. People like boo you off the stage. It could be the greatest moment of your life.

KEVIN

Like, no one's listening.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

So no one knows we exist. So what's the worst that could happen?

CRAIG

Yeah. Like, all that makes me think of is the most famous moment in Bill Burr's career. Do you know who that is?

KEVIN

Yes.

CRAIG

Is when he literally got booed for a half hour.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

In Philadelphia.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And he just, he just told everyone in the audience to go pound sand.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

In much coarser terms.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, he would, he would announce like on the 5-minute mark, I got 25 minutes left.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

You guys enjoying this?

KEVIN

Boo! That's right.

CRAIG

That was what it was. So if that's the worst that can happen and you can still like thrive from there, yeah, I'm good.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah. And he has.

KEVIN

Oh yeah, he's been fine.

CRAIG

We've done okay.

KEVIN

Yeah, we've done fine. We've done fine. Well, I mean, literally.

CRAIG

Well, so here's, here's, here's how the stars have aligned.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

I don't know. I don't know if you're aware, but a few days ago CERN turned on the Hadron Collider again.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

So the last time that this happened, Trump got elected.

KEVIN

Oh.

CRAIG

Yeah. It was like they turned on the collider, and then it was like a few days later, Trump got elected president.

KEVIN

Okay. So obviously something with the Homeowner Show is good's gonna happen.

CRAIG

Well—

KEVIN

Is that where you're going?

CRAIG

Well, so stuff, stuff has happened, right?

KEVIN

Yeah, it has.

CRAIG

So, uh, the CERN turned on the collider, and that was like 3 days ago.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

And then yesterday, The— what are they called?

KEVIN

The—

CRAIG

oh, the, the, uh, the Georgia Guidestones. Are you— do you know what that is?

KEVIN

No idea what that is.

CRAIG

Someone destroyed the Georgia Guidestones.

KEVIN

Is this like the, uh, you know, like the, the things in, like, you know what I'm talking about?

CRAIG

No idea. The Georgia Guidestones, apparently they were put up in like the early '80s by like really wealthy fam— like no one knows exactly who did it, but like really wealthy people paid to have the Georgia Guidestones installed somewhere.

KEVIN

What are they?

CRAIG

They are humanity's guide for after it all falls, falls apart.

KEVIN

Oh, okay.

CRAIG

And, and so like, it would— like, it's weird stuff, man. Like, if you don't know about it, look it up.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Like, one of the things, like, one of the tenets on the Georgia Guidestones was like, keep human population at 500 million at a maximum. So, like, basically promoting genocide.

KEVIN

Yeah. I mean, because that's— that we're nowhere near that.

CRAIG

We're far— we have far exceeded that, and everybody's getting fed just fine.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

So, um, which a lot of people don't know this, man. Like, this is— this is actually something that, like, Jacques Cousteau, uh, was a big proponent of.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

Like, he was like—

KEVIN

no idea.

CRAIG

He, like— I remember watching an interview with him one time, and he was like, we need to eliminate half the world's population tomorrow.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And I was like, that is one crazy French dude.

KEVIN

That's no doubt. I'm out.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

So anyway, there's no, there's no way I survived that.

CRAIG

Right?

KEVIN

I'm out. Yeah, I get cut.

CRAIG

So Collider gets turned on.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Somebody blows up the Georgia Guidestones.

KEVIN

I guess they're gone.

CRAIG

Well, so apparently it wasn't like a very strategic strike on the Georgia Guidestones, but it was enough that they become structurally unsound that the state or whoever the park was that they're a part of came in and just demoed the rest of them. And I think probably they were just waiting in, you know, with bated breath because it was like, we need to get this creepy thing the hell out of here. Like, I'm not kidding. Like, it is creepy. Like, I don't even know how long it lasted. Like, for almost 40 years.

KEVIN

That's crazy.

CRAIG

At this point. Like, and it's like, how did you let that just sit there?

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

I mean, we're destroying other monuments all over the place. Let's get rid of that creepy thing.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

So anyway, so that happened, and now we're doing our 200th episode.

KEVIN

There you go.

CRAIG

So I mean, the crazy stuff in the world is happening.

KEVIN

Obviously, obviously this all is—

CRAIG

this is the culmination.

KEVIN

Yeah, it all goes together.

CRAIG

Yeah. So there you go.

KEVIN

I believe it.

CRAIG

So it's meant to be.

KEVIN

It is meant to be. So, uh, we're, we're gonna just kind of— we've got some stuff we want to talk about tonight that we, we don't have a guest tonight. Uh, we, we just kind of wanted to, uh, to kind of celebrate a little bit, kind of just talk about some stuff that, that has happened, some stuff that, you know, is interesting to us, I guess. Um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, first of all, before we get any further, I need— I feel the need to say thank you.

CRAIG

Oh.

KEVIN

To people. Because here's the thing.

CRAIG

I thought that was coming to me.

KEVIN

No, I'm not thanking you for anything.

CRAIG

That's fair.

KEVIN

Because here's the thing, like, if— I promise you guys, if nobody listened to this, then we would have no excuse to tell our wives that we're gonna sit out in the studio and talk to nobody.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Except ourselves. So really, that's the only reason we do this.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Just to hang out with each other.

CRAIG

So huge thank you to everyone that continues to tune in. week after week.

KEVIN

Exactly.

CRAIG

Um, and it's enough of you that we want to keep doing it.

KEVIN

Yeah, I mean, we've, we've had tens of thousands of downloads.

CRAIG

Uh, more than that.

KEVIN

I know, I'm just saying that's— it's not tens.

CRAIG

It's, it's definitely not tens or hundreds.

KEVIN

It's, it's a lot.

CRAIG

It's a lot.

KEVIN

And so it's, it's been really, really good. So, um, I don't know, man, where do you want to start tonight?

CRAIG

Uh, I mean, we can— you want, you want to just travel down? I mean, have you, have you picked out some memories that are pretty significant to you?

KEVIN

To me? Yeah.

CRAIG

Do you want to go first? Do you want me to go first?

KEVIN

Um, I'll go first. Uh, probably the one episode that was—

CRAIG

I have a list of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

KEVIN

You have 5?

CRAIG

I have 5.

KEVIN

Okay, well, I don't know that I have that many, uh, but, but I've got some that are, that I feel are, are very significant, and, and some of them are going to be probably similar to you, but Uh, one of the ones that to me was just so very— uh, I, I was, I was nervous to go into this episode.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

Um, only because I was like, we're gonna screw this up somehow. Like, this is not gonna go well, and I want this to go well. And, um, it was the episode with unlocking the magic.

CRAIG

Oh yeah.

KEVIN

That was a big one for me.

CRAIG

That was a big one.

KEVIN

Because you and I, you and I are kind of—

CRAIG

They were dumb for saying yes to us.

KEVIN

They were. They afterwards, they regretted their decision.

CRAIG

They must have been drinking that night.

KEVIN

They, they don't even drink.

CRAIG

Like, that's the thing.

KEVIN

Like, they— that's a big deal to them. They're like, we don't drink.

CRAIG

Um, but like, caught them on an off night, apparently.

KEVIN

But I think it was one of those deals that was cool for me because, uh, it's a, you know, both of us being big Disney fans, although recently crazy Disney stuff. But that being said, both being big Disney fans, and they do a Disney podcast that both of us listen to.

CRAIG

Yep.

KEVIN

Every you know, been listening to them for years, um, and they're very successful at their podcast. And so whenever we asked them to come on our show and they said yes, I was like, holy cow, we're gonna have Connie and Bruce on our show.

CRAIG

It was really— they were super, super nice.

KEVIN

They were so nice.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And so like, I don't know, like it was a big enough deal that we didn't at the time remember we were still—

CRAIG

They've actually tuned into the live stream a couple times.

KEVIN

Oh, there you go. I did not know that. Well, so we, we were still working out of your living room at the time. And the only reason I know that is because we didn't believe your Wi-Fi was good enough at the time. So we actually—

CRAIG

Oh, that's right. We changed locations.

KEVIN

To another location that we thought the Wi-Fi would be better.

CRAIG

But you remember what I did? What'd you do?

KEVIN

I forgot the microphone.

CRAIG

Oh, that's right.

KEVIN

You're like—

CRAIG

Like, I had to go steal microphones from somebody that night, didn't I?

KEVIN

Yeah. You didn't— we— well, we searched the facility we were in. Yeah, we, we went around searching, we found some stuff, we scoured the facility that we were in for some stuff because you were like, you were literally like, Kevin, I need you to stop by the studio, which was your living room, and pick up the microphones and stuff. I was like, sure, no problem. And I completely forgot. And so, but we were on a schedule. Yeah, like they had a schedule, a time schedule they could do it.

CRAIG

And, uh, it was a pretty small window.

KEVIN

It was a small window. And, and in fact, we had to end before we were ready I think, before I was ready, and because they had some stuff to do. And it was like one of those deals where I was like, this is an episode that I'm really excited about, and then I forgot the microphones. Like, of all the things that I forgot. And so it literally, like, it was a crap show whenever it started because we're like, hey guys, we don't have all the—

CRAIG

Well, not only that, like, I mean, like, when you're like— and it was pretty early on with the show.

KEVIN

It was, yeah. We were We had not been— episode like 30, maybe.

CRAIG

Yeah. And so, like, one of the things that we tried to do with them is we didn't let them know that we do video. And so we tried to get on video with them, and he was like, hey, we're not doing video.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And I was like, oh, this sucks. Yeah, we didn't tell them. Right. And like, and so like, he's, he's like, he's not gonna do it. Right. Um, and it wasn't, it wasn't their fault. I mean, it was our fault.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

We didn't, we didn't know to be like, hey, we're gonna like to let people know, like, hey, we're gonna do video, right? Like, no. And now we've learned podcast manners.

KEVIN

Oh, hopefully. But it was— I don't know, that was a— that was a— it was a really great podcast, and I was really, really excited about that one. So yeah, that's a big one for me.

CRAIG

That was a good one.

KEVIN

Yeah, for sure. That's not on your list though.

CRAIG

No, it wasn't on my list. Good. No, no, no. Um, like, one of the— like, going— I mean, the earliest one I could go back to, I think, was episode 61.

KEVIN

And you got numbers on yours. I don't have numbers on mine. Yeah.

CRAIG

How dare you?

KEVIN

Okay. I'll figure it out.

CRAIG

How are people gonna go back and listen?

KEVIN

They're not. I'll find—

CRAIG

I'm fine with exposing my shame.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

Episode 61. I forget what was going on, but you couldn't be here.

KEVIN

Oh, yeah.

CRAIG

And so I had asked Haley to guest host. with me, and it was with Mel.

KEVIN

Right. I remember that.

CRAIG

And what was cool about that, one, it was just a different way to do the show. We'd never done the show like that before. We'd never had a guest host.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And Haley just jumped in with both feet and just killed it. And Mel was a killer guest. But what was really neat is they've stayed friends.

KEVIN

Oh, yeah.

CRAIG

To this day.

KEVIN

Right. They still talk.

CRAIG

Because of that interview.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, I just, I love that. I, I love that. I love it when people are connected because of the show. Like, I, you know, like when people reach out to us and like, oh, hey, I called such and such because I heard about on their show. Or people that have been on the show be like, hey, so-and-so just called me. They said they heard me on the show. And it's like, yeah, that's, that's the whole reason, like, we wanted to have you on is because, like, you're great at what you do and we want to make sure that people know about you.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

Um, but like, but that was different because it was like a friendship.

KEVIN

Right. That was cool.

CRAIG

And that we've stayed friends with them too.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

I mean, I think Haley's been on the show like twice since then. Oh, and she was on the show once before then.

KEVIN

Yeah. I think she's been on the show 4 or 5 times.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

So, and Mel's been on twice.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

And so just like, one, great guests.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

Two, like, just cool that that was a connection that was made.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And I think part of it was that I think Mel's son was Living in, I think she was in Portland at the time.

KEVIN

Yeah, and and they've actually met.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Like we haven't even met Haley. I know.

CRAIG

Even though she's promised.

KEVIN

She's been well she's been to Austin. I know.

CRAIG

And she said she's coming.

KEVIN

Just we'll find out. Yeah, we'll see. But no, that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, I will say I was close. It was episode thirty-four.

CRAIG

Episode thirty-four. Okay. Yeah, it's thirty. So no, I remember I remember thinking it's like maybe we've only like thirty of these. Like yeah, why are they agreeing? come on our show.

KEVIN

No, they—

CRAIG

because they— I mean, like, they've been doing it for a while and they're still doing it and they're very successful at it.

KEVIN

Oh yeah, they really, really are. Uh, so I'll, I'll tell you the other thing that, um, that— so, so were you done with yours, by the way?

CRAIG

Oh yeah.

KEVIN

Okay, so this is something that is really kind of tangential a little bit, is that I remember that we were so, we were so kind of, kind of dumb with what we didn't know. Uh-huh. Um, And we started off every episode was titled that show that—

CRAIG

The time that—

KEVIN

The time that— yeah, kind of like the Friends stuff.

CRAIG

Friends stuff.

KEVIN

Yeah, we really went off of that model. We're like, we're gonna be like—

CRAIG

For a long time.

KEVIN

The Friends were the one with this, the one about that, or whatever. So we did the show that, um, and we did that for a long time. Yeah, until we realized that does not really help rankings at all, at all. And so I think it's pretty hilarious And if you go back and look, if you're, if you're like listening to this, you start going back and looking, at some point it just changed. It just changed. And we just were like, okay, let's not do that anymore. And so I think it's the things that—

CRAIG

It should have been the episode where we got smarter.

KEVIN

Yeah, so true.

CRAIG

And like, we— It took us like 90 episodes.

KEVIN

Oh, it— we were well into like multiple years at that point already. And so I think that it's funny, like, to see—

CRAIG

I think we'd even talked about it a couple times where it was like, man, we've been doing this for like a long time and like we're not doing bad, right? Like Should we change?

KEVIN

Exactly. Yeah. And so I think that, I think that that was an interesting thing is we, we've learned so much along the way.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

About what to do, what not to do, and how to do things better and all of that. That's just one of, that's like a little small thing that made a big impact though. Yeah.

CRAIG

Well, and like, I think, you know, I mean, What's been one of the interesting things for me has been how many podcasts this podcast has helped launch. There's been a bunch.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

I mean, and not all of them have lasted, but there's been a bunch of podcasts started because either they came on the show or they heard the show and they were like, they knew you or I, and they're like, how are you guys doing that? How does that work? And is that helpful for you?

KEVIN

How is that helpful for you?

CRAIG

And all this kinda stuff. And, and for the most part, like, if you reach out to us and talk to us about, like, hey, I'm interested in doing this. How do you guys do it? What have your successes? What have been your pitfalls? Like, I'm an open book.

KEVIN

We'll tell you. Yeah.

CRAIG

It's, it's not— I mean, yeah. Yeah. And, like, there, there's even podcasts that have not been out as long as ours that are doing better than ours. Sure. And, you know, so— and great.

KEVIN

Yeah. Glad you are.

CRAIG

I love it.

KEVIN

Yeah. And, and, and we knew whenever we started this that we were in a pretty tight niche.

CRAIG

Oh yeah.

KEVIN

And but that was actually kind of the point.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

It's like we're, we're trying to fit something that doesn't really exist. Yeah. And so because of that, we're in a lane that a lot of people don't know about.

CRAIG

I mean, honestly, we're creating a lane. There's nobody doing stuff like what we're doing. I mean, like Eric G is the closest thing to what we're doing. Um, but like no one, no one has really tried to explore homeownership. Everyone tries to do like this cutesy DIY, right, or organization, or— and like, not— it's not to diss on them at all, but like, because they have their space and they're doing great and they're killing it. No one, no one talks about home ownership like we talk about home ownership. It just doesn't— I mean, like, there's— on a broad scale, there's no one. There are some regional guys doing it.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And most of them are very specific to the areas that they live in, and, and most of those guys are like contractors who are there. And again, It's not a critique, but they're using the podcast in order to generate business for themselves. You and I, like, are just not interested in that.

KEVIN

No. We're not doing that.

CRAIG

We're not doing that.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

Like, we're just 2 dudes who are super curious that love talking to people about their businesses and their skill sets.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And reviewing products.

KEVIN

I would bet that people that listen to the show regularly have guessed what you do.

CRAIG

Probably.

KEVIN

But we've not overtly talked about it.

CRAIG

No. I think we did, like, one episode where it became kinda obvious.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

But, like, I've never mentioned the name of my business ever.

KEVIN

But I bet a lot of people would—

CRAIG

I think guests have mentioned the name of my business.

KEVIN

Sure. Yeah. I think maybe.

CRAIG

Yeah. I mean, if you've been paying attention really close, you might have caught it.

KEVIN

Yeah. But I would venture to guess that people don't know what I do. Would you agree?

CRAIG

I would say that's probably true.

KEVIN

I mean, maybe you may have gotten some clues. like the type of thing that I do, but you probably don't know what I do.

CRAIG

Yeah, that might actually be kind of fun for like people to like write in like, hey, what do you think Kevin actually does? Yeah, all right, to see if they know.

KEVIN

Put it in the chat.

CRAIG

If you know Kevin, you can't answer, right?

KEVIN

No, no, that's true. If you know what I do, because some— a lot of people that listen to this know me, right? Or, or guess, and they ask and I tell them because they ask. I guess they could Facebook stalk you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I guess it's true. Yeah. Because it was— does say on there.

CRAIG

You could figure the same thing out with me. I mean, like, it's not like I'm hiding what I do.

KEVIN

No. But, but that's not the— the point is that's not the point.

CRAIG

Right.

KEVIN

Like, that— we're not— we're not here for self-promotion. Because—

CRAIG

and the reason we— I think part of the reason we're bringing this up is because so many people ask us.

KEVIN

Uh-huh.

CRAIG

Like, well, how is that benefiting your business?

KEVIN

Right. Right. Right.

CRAIG

And it's like, that's not the point.

KEVIN

Yeah. And, and I think that in many ways, it could be the point.

CRAIG

It could.

KEVIN

And, and honestly, financially, it probably should be the point. But, but at the same time, it's like, that's not— that's not— we're here. We literally are here because we want to help homeowners own their home better. Yeah, that's the whole point. Yeah, that's the whole point. So, uh, I will say this. My wife told me the other day, she was like, you need a new homeowner shirt.

CRAIG

I was like, yeah.

KEVIN

And she goes, this one's— it's starting to look bad.

CRAIG

It's on Amazon, Bubba.

KEVIN

I know. All right, your turn.

CRAIG

Oh yeah, so, um, let's see, one of the, one of the other ones that I— and this was really more like a moment, um, but when we had Michelle on, who was the deaf realtor.

KEVIN

Oh yeah.

CRAIG

And we had that whole conversation about deaf softball.

KEVIN

Oh my goodness. Oh, that was, that was one of the most hilarious— yes— things that we've ever done, ever. That's ever happened.

CRAIG

She's just a genuinely funny person anyway.

KEVIN

Absolutely, yes.

CRAIG

And just an absolute gem of a person.

KEVIN

Yes.

CRAIG

Uh, I loved having her on.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

It was just— and it's just such a unique topic.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, for us to explore and be like, okay, like, I don't— I don't— I have no idea, but like, what is it that the hearing impaired community needs out of their home? Yeah, like, I—

KEVIN

we— and we didn't know, dude.

CRAIG

And she, she spent a bunch of money on that episode making sure that the closed captions were accurate.

KEVIN

Oh, I remember that.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Yeah. We, we sent her the whole show and she spent money to get it transcribed.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

So that it was right. It's smart.

CRAIG

And because she wanted to share it with her, the hearing impaired community.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And make sure that they were able to, like, understand everything that we talked about.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Um, she was awesome.

KEVIN

Yeah. No, she was.

CRAIG

I mean, the, the— and so, like, here's the, the— we'll play the Kevin Bacon game a little bit with her. The whole reason we had her on the show is because she was good buddies with Tanya.

KEVIN

You're right.

CRAIG

Who, uh, one of my favorite moments was when we asked Tanya, uh, what was the, the worst thing you ever had to clean?

KEVIN

Oh, yeah.

CRAIG

Which it's, it's up as a clip on our, on our YouTube page. It's one of our best videos.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And she talked about walking into someone's bedroom and there was a swing.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Hanging from the ceiling that they'd forgotten to take down.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And, and that she was still friends with that person.

KEVIN

Yeah. That's good.

CRAIG

That's good stuff. So, and it was like, yeah, you probably want to keep that person as a friend so that she doesn't tell your secrets.

KEVIN

We've definitely had some funny moments. And honestly, some of the funniest moments listeners don't even understand. Like, you and I, yeah, we just know each other. Yeah, it's been, it's been some funny stuff for sure. I'll tell you what, we don't care if y'all are enjoying it.

CRAIG

We're here for us.

KEVIN

If they haven't figured that out yet after 200 episodes, I don't know. Like, our wives know. Our wives know.

CRAIG

Okay, so Michelle was episode 98. Okay. And then the episode with the, the moment with the swing, uh-huh, uh, that was episode 93.

KEVIN

Yeah, yeah. Okay, wow, it's a long time ago. Well, I'm gonna go back even further than that. I'm gonna go to episode 23.

CRAIG

All right.

KEVIN

Um, this was the episode where, uh, I was driving to your house and I called and I was like, hey, you know, I'm running just a couple minutes late, but I'm gonna be there. And you're like, you're gonna have to go out to the studio by yourself because I'm— I got a stomach bug.

CRAIG

Oh yeah.

KEVIN

And I was like, what? He's like, yeah, I can't. Like, I've— you don't want me out there. And I was like, but—

CRAIG

and this was like one of the very first episodes in the studio.

KEVIN

It was.

CRAIG

Like when we had moved out of the living room.

KEVIN

Yes, it was. It was episode 23. And, to date, it is still our most listened to episode. It's got more downloads than anything. Of course, it was episode 23. So we will give it that. I mean, it's had more time. But it was easily our number 1 podcast at that time, right? And it was on home organization, was with the Pitcher Design Group.

CRAIG

Pitcher Design Group, yeah.

KEVIN

And, uh, which, by the way, uh, she— so we, we— most people know we bought a home recently.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And, uh, she came over and is doing—

CRAIG

was it Courtney?

KEVIN

Kristen.

CRAIG

Oh, Kristen.

KEVIN

And she, she came over and she's doing 3 of our closets.

CRAIG

Oh, awesome.

KEVIN

Yeah. And so I was like, who else are we gonna call? Nobody. I'm calling her, right? And, uh, so, but I remember I was like, I've got to do this by myself. Like, I'm not— I'm pretty— I'm a confident person.

CRAIG

Sure.

KEVIN

But like, when it comes to this, I was like, I— like, Craig does the audio. I don't do the audio. Well, we weren't even doing video at the time, right? We weren't doing a video at all.

CRAIG

I thought we got video of that one.

KEVIN

We may. We may have because I was the one doing it. Like, I'm the one that does the video. It's—

CRAIG

for some reason, I think I remember there being a video.

KEVIN

But we may have— we were— we may have— we were doing amateur video at that time. We were not doing it the way we're currently doing it.

CRAIG

But I don't even want to explain to people how we're doing it.

KEVIN

It was not— it was a lot of work, I'll tell you that. Um, but I— that was one of those episodes where I was like, I— here we go. Yeah. And the thing is, like, at that point, I think we were doing episodes that were like, you know, 45 minutes, that kind of thing. Well, that one went on for like hour and a half or something like that.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And it was a long episode. It was really, really well received. And I took a lot of credit because it was the best one that you weren't on.

CRAIG

I'll take credit for not being there.

KEVIN

That's right. Anyway, I just remember that being a very interesting— and one of those deals was like, look, this, this episode, I mean, this whole podcast thing does not rely on you. It does not rely on me. We're, we're in this together.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

You know, like, It really requires both of us because, I mean, there have been multiple times whenever I've been out of town and you've done it by yourself.

CRAIG

Honestly, we need like a third person just to like—

KEVIN

oh yeah.

CRAIG

I mean, like, we've gotten pretty good at doing most of the things ourselves, but like, it would be better if we're kind of growing to the point where like we almost need like a third person in the room to kind of like produce.

KEVIN

And yeah, if I did— I mean, I'm sitting here doing all the video work right now even, and if I didn't have to do that, I could focus a little bit better probably. But it's fine.

CRAIG

It is what it is.

KEVIN

I'm used to it at this point. I mean, really, it's kind of second.

CRAIG

Yeah. What would you do with yourself?

KEVIN

I would probably be bored. I don't know. I don't know. All right, your turn.

CRAIG

All right. So one of the other ones, um, that was, uh, I think for us was— I, and I assume this is true for both of us, and, um, you know, but like episode 97, okay, was the first time I think we had Eric G on.

KEVIN

Oh yeah. Um, man, he's been huge.

CRAIG

He's been great for us.

KEVIN

He's been a great friend.

CRAIG

And like, just, uh, I think just today they announced that like they're like the number one, like podcast in Canada for their, for their category.

KEVIN

Amazing.

CRAIG

Yeah, I mean, ever since Caroline came on, which also was a great guest.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

Um, but like the first time we had Eric G on and then he told the story of that lady trying to make a pallet pool.

KEVIN

Oh yes.

CRAIG

Oh my gosh, I about lost it.

KEVIN

Oh my goodness. And, and the thing is like, that guy has such a great speaking voice.

CRAIG

He's a good storyteller, man.

KEVIN

Great storyteller on top of that. Like, he's so fun and interesting to listen to. If you're looking for another podcast on homeowner show, Around the House with Eric G. and Caroline B. She's— it's so good. So very good. Go check it out.

CRAIG

Yeah. Great, great show. But, like, and, and he's, he's been on the show a few times now.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, and we've, we've done some other stuff with him outside of the, the show. Um, he's, he's a huge supporter of what we do.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, always, like, and, like, his show's bigger than ours.

KEVIN

Oh, yeah.

CRAIG

Quite a bit. And, and But is encouraging and supportive, and we love that he's a good friend of the show.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And he and I kind of message back and forth from time to time and just talking stats and how's your show going? What's going on? And it's his full-time gig. Yeah. And he kills it.

KEVIN

He's really good at it. I can't imagine doing it full-time, but he's doing great. Yeah.

CRAIG

Alright.

KEVIN

What you got? My next one, and this person's been on our podcast now twice.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

And if you would have told me that we would have had this, this type of episode on our show once, I would have been like, I think I know which one you're talking about. But then we had it on twice. And it's definitely Christina Tamez with, with birthing.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Right. And talking about, like, natural home birth and Uh, not just that, but like just having a doula. She's a doula and all of, all the stuff with midwifery. Like I'm learning terms here that I never knew. Yeah. How did— and then I'm like, people do what with the what?

CRAIG

The placenta.

KEVIN

The placenta. They, they like eat it. How?

CRAIG

I wanted to throw up.

KEVIN

I did too. I was like, this is— and she was like, no, it's like a really good thing because it's got all these vitamins. And I'm like, I don't know.

CRAIG

Nope, nope, nope.

KEVIN

I don't want to know. But like, I know so much that I didn't know before. And I think that, like, that's one of the things I love about this podcast is whether, whether or not I am intelligent about anything doesn't matter. I have learned a ton about services that I didn't know existed. Like, we talked to your, your, uh, relative JC about leak detection. I just thought a plumber did that. Um, we've learned a lot about, like, a doula. I didn't know anything about doulas. I didn't know anything about midwives. I didn't— I thought that was, like, an ancient thing. I didn't know that was still a thing.

CRAIG

We've learned about AI on the show.

KEVIN

Yeah. In fact, that was actually gonna be one of mine, so we'll just go ahead and talk about it real quick. It's like, we talked to David Selinger, and that guy, I was a little bit starstruck talking with him because he— I mean, and dude was so chill. Yeah. And so cool.

CRAIG

But this guy's worked for Jeff Bezos, and he's apparently gotten, like, a kerfuffle with the Facebook guy over there.

KEVIN

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And, like, he's Redfin and all this kinda stuff. And now he's talking to us about, about AI home security, which, to be quite honest, I'm like, I still want that.

CRAIG

Yeah. I've, I've explained it to some people. Yeah. On a couple of different occasions. I mean, just based off our conversation with him and people are like, you can do that? And I'm like, yeah, dude.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

It's crazy.

KEVIN

Yeah. And, and, like, stuff like that that I'm just like, how is that possible? that we, we learn about, and we, we now have some relationship with people that were really, really, really good. And, and I, I'm very thankful, and you and I have benefited a lot from, from these services that we talk about. Like, these are the people that we talk to on the show. We use their services. Like, oh yeah.

CRAIG

Like, uh, that's, that's honestly how we meet a lot of our guests is we end up Like, we've either hired them.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

Or we know, or we've worked with someone who has. And so then we end up like, well, that was really cool. We should have them on the show. Yeah.

KEVIN

Like Aaron Bernizel. He just painted our kitchen for us. Yeah. And it's amazing. Did unbelievably great job.

CRAIG

And like, we just, like, you and I both just referred him to somebody.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And like, dude is booked out for like the next 3 months.

KEVIN

I know.

CRAIG

And she, like, I was, I was actually talking to his wife and she was like, I really appreciate the, the referral, but like, she just wasn't really willing to wait that long. Sure. I was like, I get it.

KEVIN

Yeah. No, I get it.

CRAIG

But like, you know, if you want the best, use him.

KEVIN

Yeah. Yeah. And, and so we've, we are using the, and like I said, I'm using Kristen to, to do home organization for me.

CRAIG

And so did you, did you call in some favors to get the, the kitchen painting done? Is that what happened there?

KEVIN

No, I waited just like everybody else did.

CRAIG

No one believes you. No one believes you.

KEVIN

I won't say that we haven't gotten favors. I mean, because, I mean, I mean, like, even, even little things, like, we've, we've met realtors and we've met mortgage lenders and we've met all kinds of people that honestly are resources.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And like, that, that's part of the whole deal here is like, we want to give you guys resources.

CRAIG

Yeah. Well, and like, I think, I think it's another thing that's important to mention is like, while we may have favorite moments on the show, some of our best relationships are not like necessarily like our favorite moments on the show.

KEVIN

Sure.

CRAIG

But like, we have really strong relationships with a lot of the people that either, either got created because of the show or, you know, were, you know, were an aspect of our personal lives that flowed over into the show.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

And, and so, like, most of the people that we have on, like, if you— if we're on remote location, you know, like, Haley and Eric being the exception to that rule, you know, if they're on remote, then we probably don't know them that well.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

But if they're in studio, we've probably spent a good amount of time with them and trust them. There have been a few exceptions to that where, like, people that we've had on the show are no longer in business. And/or have just fallen off the face of the earth.

KEVIN

Yep. I know who you're talking about.

CRAIG

You know, I mean, there's, there's been some of that for sure. Like, we're not, we're not batting 1,000 over here.

KEVIN

No.

CRAIG

But, like, for the most part, people that we have on the show, we still have good relationships with. Right. And our, our, and part of that is because we've done business with them.

KEVIN

Yeah. And, and so I think that what's interesting is some of those people that haven't been in the studio, how they've found us.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And like how they've contacted us, say, we want to be on your show. Yeah, that's kind of, kind of cool.

CRAIG

It is fun.

KEVIN

Like, I mean, I think about, uh, the sleep expert we talked to.

CRAIG

Oh, Molly.

KEVIN

Molly was awesome. Yeah, she's, she's wonderful.

CRAIG

I think we actually owe her another episode.

KEVIN

Oh dude, that was another one of those. That was a nightmare that we did. That—

CRAIG

she wasn't a nightmare, she was lovely. Yeah, we were a nightmare.

KEVIN

Right. And that was That was another one of those that we did at another location. Also messed it up royally.

CRAIG

And was that you?

KEVIN

That— yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah. What'd you do?

KEVIN

I— it was again— well, that was again with microphones.

CRAIG

Is it with the microphones again?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Okay.

KEVIN

So it was just— there's always something. But, um, yeah, stuff like that that I'm like, wow, this was— this—

CRAIG

we really need to get like a button on this thing That is the mom from Home Alone.

KEVIN

Kevin!

CRAIG

Every time.

KEVIN

Kevin! There's so many.

CRAIG

There's not one of those for Craig.

KEVIN

So many. No, but there's so many uses for it. Alright. I, I think I took like 3 just now. So it's your turn.

CRAIG

So I, one of the ones that stood out in my brain, and it was just because it was funny, was the, the fanny pack conversation that we had with Mason Miller. I don't know how you can have a 10-minute conversation about fanny packs.

KEVIN

We did.

CRAIG

But it was on episode 101. So it was like we had just celebrated our 100th episode, and we had Mason on to talk about credit repair.

KEVIN

Uh-huh.

CRAIG

Which, I mean, I think if people listen to that, like, homeowner show, credit report, why are you talking about that?

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Because credit has to do with buying a home.

KEVIN

A lot of it.

CRAIG

Yeah. Or really making any major purchases for your home. So, like, you need to have good credit in order to— most people need to have good credit in order to purchase things for their home or just purchase a home in general.

KEVIN

Yep.

CRAIG

So that's what we had him on, and he's, he's just a cool dude.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, love talking to him, but like, I don't, I don't even remember how the conversation devolved into fanny packs.

KEVIN

I don't either.

CRAIG

But it was a good one, and it's, it's up as a clip on our YouTube page.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And is, is one of our better viewed videos.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, but so like, an episode, um, our, our number one episode, this, so So this one actually trumps your episode on home organization. Home organization. Yeah. I mean, if you, if you put all the numbers together from, like, YouTube, podcasts, all that kinda stuff, our number 1 episode of all time was the Nova P50.

KEVIN

Really? Oh, yeah. That's interesting.

CRAIG

Far, far and above. Wow.

KEVIN

Okay.

CRAIG

And, and most of those numbers are from YouTube.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Um, it did really well on YouTube for some reason.

KEVIN

Interesting.

CRAIG

Um, uh, on a couple different times, like the episode ended up getting posted twice somehow.

KEVIN

Oh, okay.

CRAIG

Um, and probably user error, probably. Like, we're— we still don't know how to use YouTube.

KEVIN

No, I wish we did.

CRAIG

But we got really good numbers on that one.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And some hate mail.

KEVIN

Uh huh, we did.

CRAIG

Yeah, but that's fine. Super cool flashlight. Still love it.

KEVIN

Yeah, and we were supposed to get some other stuff from them. We never did.

CRAIG

Yeah, I don't know what happened.

KEVIN

I don't either.

CRAIG

They're kind of a weird organization over there, but they make cool stuff.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

What is the name of it? I forget where I bought that Nova. Well, Nova's the name. Nova's like the flashlight.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Lone Survivalist.

KEVIN

Oh, yeah.

CRAIG

If you go to Lone Survivalist, so they actually just did like a 4th of July promo where you got the flashlight and these submersible matches, like waterproof matches, and like a Zippo lighter and just all kinds of stuff. And it was like you got the flashlight and then all this extra stuff. It was like $100.

KEVIN

What? Yeah. The flashlight itself That much? Yeah.

CRAIG

For a while they were selling just a flashlight for like $150. Right. But yeah, they had this package deal. It was a 4th of July promo. Interesting. And that's— I mean, they just do cool promos like that. But that's really only if you're into outdoors survivalist kind of stuff. Right. I mean, that's what that flashlight is. It's a survivalist flashlight.

KEVIN

Yeah. But it's a really good flashlight. And you may be listening and be like, why was it much. Well, it does more than shine light.

CRAIG

Oh, yeah. You know, you'd have to go back and listen to the episode. I forget what episode that was. But, yeah. So, I mean, like, it does a bunch of stuff.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

So, and then there's another one. That was the one that they called us and they said, hey, can we send you this one?

KEVIN

We're like, yeah, why not?

CRAIG

They just never sent it to us.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

But it was— it's the Nova, and it's just a longer flashlight because it has a concealed knife inside of it. And just never got to play with that one. Right. If you guys wanna send it, I'd be happy to take a look at it.

KEVIN

Come on, bring it.

CRAIG

We'll make another video.

KEVIN

Yep. We absolutely will. So, I like, there, there are so many things, like, we, I could go on and on.

CRAIG

I'm, I don't, I'm, I'm like, I wanna keep going just because I don't want anybody to get their feelings hurt that we're not talking about, like, your episode.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

That you're, you're right. There's so many good episodes.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

That we've done over the years.

KEVIN

Mm-hmm.

CRAIG

It's impossible to list all of them.

KEVIN

Yeah. And one of the things that I wanted to do is I wanted to ask what was your least favorite? But I don't want to do that. I don't think that's a good, smart idea.

CRAIG

That's the first one.

KEVIN

The first one was really bad, y'all.

CRAIG

The first one's my least favorite.

KEVIN

Well, because we were like idiots. No. Well, you were like, let's do it tonight and we're back. Let's do it tonight. And we just did. I mean, honestly, I, I think this is true with homeownership. It's true with life. It's true with a lot of things. Like, sometimes you just gotta do it. Rip the Band-Aid off. Do it. Even if it's like, you know, installing an above-ground pool and you don't want to, just do it. So, which we need to do an episode about that.

CRAIG

We gotta do an episode about that.

KEVIN

Because I just, I just did that.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And I didn't want to, and I'm glad I did. It's a lot of fun.

CRAIG

Yeah. So you get in finally?

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

Nice.

KEVIN

Yeah, it's in. It's good. It's done. So it— but you know, it's, it's all, it's all just do it, right?

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And if you don't know how to do it, call somebody else.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

Get it done.

CRAIG

Or watch a YouTube video.

KEVIN

Oh, I guarantee there's a YouTube video out there.

CRAIG

For sure.

KEVIN

So what are we missing, man?

CRAIG

I— that's it, man. On, on to 201.

KEVIN

On, on to 201 because 200 is now done.

CRAIG

That's right. It's in the books.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

We made it.

KEVIN

We made it. And we're looking toward 300 at this point. I mean, honestly, like it's one of those deals where, uh, 100 episodes, that's a lot because it's basically 2 years of content.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

That's basically what that amounts to because we do one a week. And so—

CRAIG

Well, and one of the things I want to— I mean, you and I have been talking and we're talking about doing some new stuff.

KEVIN

That's right.

CRAIG

Some stuff. I think we've talked. One of the things that I'm confident that's going to be happening really, really soon is we're going to be adding a trivia show.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

with our guests, which should be a lot of fun.

KEVIN

Be so much fun.

CRAIG

And so we'll do that anytime we have a guest. We're talking about putting out extra episodes during the week so we can maybe put out— instead of just doing one, we'll probably do like 2 and see if you guys like that.

KEVIN

Right.

CRAIG

Maybe you guys want to hear more from us throughout the week. We're happy to put out as much as we need to. Um, we've been having conversations with other, uh, podcasting talent about, you know, kind of joining forces, right? Uh, you know, maybe not coming underneath the Homeowner Show banner, but like, you know, um, you know, bringing on some—

KEVIN

aligning a little bit.

CRAIG

Yeah. Uh, creating some strategic alliances, right, in the, in the podcasting world. So like, we, we, we've been having some of those conversations.

KEVIN

Yeah.

CRAIG

And so like, there's some cool stuff coming down the pipeline for the Homeowner Show. In particular, I mean, like, the trivia show alone, I think, is just gonna be—

KEVIN

it'll be fun.

CRAIG

A lot of fun.

KEVIN

It's just fun. That's why we wanna do it. Yeah. But, yeah, I think— and honestly, like, I— again, going back to the comment about how many episodes did you think we could get through? Like, there's so many things we haven't done. Yeah. There's so many services out there that we have not had on the show.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And it's not always because of a lack of trying. Sometimes it's just these guys are hard to get on the show. But that's true.

CRAIG

There are some people that just difficult to get a hold of.

KEVIN

Yeah, and they're, they're busy, they've got stuff going on.

CRAIG

But it's weird, like, when there's, you know, the people that you want to talk to are hard to get a hold of, but the people you don't want to talk to are like, can I come on?

KEVIN

Exactly. Yep. But, you know, if you've got an episode that you want to listen to and we haven't done, let us know. Let us know.

CRAIG

We will fight for that episode.

KEVIN

Yeah, we absolutely will. So just let us know. And, um, but anyway, so yeah, we've got a lot, we got a lot planned and A lot more that's probably gonna come, so we're not looking to slow down anytime soon. So thank you guys for, for, uh, you know, sticking with us and subscribing. And if you haven't already, it's been 200 episodes. Come on now, subscribe, click the like button. And I'll tell you what we really— for our 200th birthday, what you would really like— we would like you to do: go on iTunes, leave us a 5-star rating or just a review.

CRAIG

Yeah.

KEVIN

And a rating.

CRAIG

Very good.

KEVIN

Let us know what you think about the show and tell your friends about us. Thanks for being here. Till next time, we'll see you later. See ya.

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